Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 6 2021 07:00pm)

Here in Germany, we still have to wear masks in most places, clubs and lots of cultural events like the opera are still shut down or severely limited. In spite of a vaccination rate which has overtaken that of the US (sad given your tremendous headstart) and lower case numbers than any of our western neighbors, our government still isn't willing to lift further restrictions, by the contrary, they are already talking about new restrictions for the coming fall and winter, among them rules which would ostracize the unvaccinated from pretty much all aspects of social life. Our ministry of health even wants to enshrine mask and social distancing mandates until next spring (sic!) independent of the number of cases or the vaccine progress (sic!!).

Maybe that helps to explain where I'm coming from in this debate. ;)

Quote (SanduLungu @ 6 Aug 2021 20:01)

germanistan is a leftist nazi regime.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 6 2021 11:00am)

Here in Germany, we still have to wear masks in most public places, clubs and lots of cultural events like the opera are still shut down or severely limited. In spite of a vaccination rate which has overtaken that of the US (sad given your tremendous headstart) and lower case numbers than any of our western neighbors, our government still isn't willing to lift further restrictions. By the contrary, they are already talking about new restrictions for the coming fall and winter, among them rules which would ostracize the unvaccinated from pretty much all aspects of social life. Our ministry of health even wants to enshrine mask and social distancing mandates until next spring (sic!) completely independent from the number of cases or the vaccine progress (sic!!).

Maybe that helps to explain where I'm coming from in this debate. ;)

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 6 2021 01:00pm)

Here in Germany, we still have to wear masks in most public places, clubs and lots of cultural events like the opera are still shut down or severely limited. In spite of a vaccination rate which has overtaken that of the US (sad given your tremendous headstart) and lower case numbers than any of our western neighbors, our government still isn't willing to lift further restrictions. By the contrary, they are already talking about new restrictions for the coming fall and winter, among them rules which would ostracize the unvaccinated from pretty much all aspects of social life. Our ministry of health even wants to enshrine mask and social distancing mandates until next spring (sic!) completely independent from the number of cases or the vaccine progress (sic!!).

Maybe that helps to explain where I'm coming from in this debate. ;)

Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 6 2021 12:07pm)

what incorrect specifically about what i posted?

Quote (EndlessSky @ Aug 6 2021 01:12pm)

As many as 99% are protected even if the vaccine, masking etc. numbers are lower.

Quote (thesnipa @ Aug 6 2021 02:16pm)

vaccinated numbers are quantifiable, "protected" numbers is an imaginary concept based on studies u like and the unlikelihood of no new variants coming that change how we see juvenile infection and spread.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Aug 6 2021 01:22pm)

Variants are a vague concept without any scientific backing. Which viral genes are different in the new variant? What are the new allele frequencies of the population. Do journalists know or care what any of this even means?

The high number of deaths in 2020 is attributable to dry tinder theory catching fire in an old and unhealthy population. All of these other numbers you think are important are just a waste of time and money in the long term.

Edit: Studies in Israel prove that you only have to vaccinate the vulnerable for the best results.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 6 2021 07:02pm)

It's really striking how strong the parallels are between my country and "cesspools like LA or NYC".

Quote (SanduLungu @ 6 Aug 2021 20:52)

san francisco is even worse.