A crash course on history of the PALESTINIAN STATE:

1. Before Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinian state.

2. Before the British Mandate, there was the Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinian state.

3. Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, not a Palestinian state.

4. Before the Islamic state of the Mamluks of Egypt, there was the Ayubid Arab-Kurdish Empire, not a Palestinian state.

5. Before the Ayubid Empire, there was the Frankish and Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, not a Palestinian state.

6. Before the Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, not a Palestinian state.

7. Before the Umayyad and Fatimid empires, there was the Byzantine empire, not a Palestinian state.

8. Before the Byzantine Empire, there were the Sassanids, not a Palestinian state.

9. Before the Sassanid Empire, there was the Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state.

10. Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire, not a Palestinian state.

11. Before the Roman Empire, there was the Hasmonean state, not a Palestinian state.

12. Before the Hasmonean state, there was the Seleucid, not a Palestinian state.

13. Before the Seleucid empire, there was the empire of Alexander the Great, not a Palestinian state.

14. Before the empire of Alexander the Great, there was the Persian empire, not a Palestinian state.

15. Before the Persian Empire, there was the Babylonian Empire, not a Palestinian state.

16. Before the Babylonian Empire, there were the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, not a Palestinian state.

17. Before the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, there was the Kingdom of Israel, not a Palestinian state.

18. Before the kingdom of Israel, there was the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, not a Palestinian state.

19. Before the theocracy of the twelve tribes of Israel, there was an agglomeration of independent Canaanite city-kingdoms, not a Palestinian state.

20. Actually, in this piece of land there has been everything, EXCEPT A PALESTINIAN STATE. 🤔

British mandate of what?

Unless I am missing it somewhere, there are no initiatives currently in place (or being explored) for the EU, or the US (or Arab countries) to take in Palestinians. During the Russia / Ukraine conflict there were initiatives to take Ukrainian refugees, presumably on the basis that they were construed as Europeans. Relating to Arab countries, for a myriad number of reasons they are not entertaining the notion of taking in Palestinians (as i understand it). From a position on reasonableness one would have thought that Turkey, Iran, Jordan, Egypt etc would enact some form of schemes to take in refugees, but it may be in their long term interests not to do this(happy to discuss), which will force the UN to directly intervene (also happy to discuss) noting there are little or no indications that Israel will. The biggest losers in this conflict are the innocent Palestinians and there are no indications that anyone other the the UN, will be doing anything humanitarian for them. The EU moves as one, therefore individual countries are probably being told not to act independently. I think about 1-2 months from now we will have a much better understanding of Israel's long term plan (if any) for the Palestinians who formally lived in northern Gaza.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 15 2023 09:47am

I hope you realize that this is a terrible argument as it highlights that the land changes hands down through the centuries and nothing is forever owned by anyone. If Israel was gifted land once, why cant Palestinians be gifted land after their homes have been annihilated in war?

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 15 2023 09:57am

god damn

absolutely demolished the palestine nonsense

Probably seems like it when you don't know anything about the history yourself

right, again nothing to disagree with here. what i disagreed with initially was the jump in logic between "israel calls for other nations to take in refugees" and "its clear israel wants river to sea empty of gazans". that's a massive leap of logic.

now that does NOT mean that certain people in power in israel dont secretly wish for that. of course some do. life would be far easier in israel if rockets werent fired at them and they didnt have to prepare to counter another october 7th. but logistically it's all but impossible to re-settle all of gaza. and asking people to take in refugees doesnt signal that desire is the long term plan at all logically. you simply can't repopulate 2+ million people by depending on the kindness of other nations. move out 10k, 50k, or even 100k? sure. over time. but 2m? never.

as to why muslim nations wont take refugees, its because they all have a pact not to. they want gazans right where they are. dying for the greater cause, and not starting trouble in their nations.

Shush, or I will prove you that Canada doesn't exist. I literally can prove that any country didn't exist stopping on the preffered date.