what incorrect specifically about what i posted?

The error starts when you're letting the virus control our lives until an unrealistic vaccination goal has been reached.

The answer is really simple: you do not overcome the 30% R base that just wont get jabbed. You are totally right tha no amount of messaging or science will convince them.
No, what society should do is make sure that everyone else is vaccinated, stop worrying about soaring cases and let the idiots die. End of story.

Seriously: if these people prefer to take a far greater risk of dying from covid over getting their shot, then so be it. Let them make their choice and live with the consequences. The vaccines allow everyone else to protect themselves, so I see no more reason to make these people's decision the problem of everyone else, at least not in the medium-term future.




Since when have businesses been liable for viral infections in their facilities? And let's not even begin with the complete impossibility of ever proving that a deadly infection took place in a specific place. Actionability against private businesses is a mirage when it comes to covid.

Regarding the mayors: that's a political argument, not a medical one. And the political calculus is not as clear cut as you seem to believe. In NYC for example, the vaccination rates in poorer districts where more minorities are living are way lower than in the rich, whiter neighborhoods. These downscale minorities are a crucial part of both DeBlasio's coalition and that of incoming mayor Eric Adams. I wouldn't bet on working-class minorities taking well to patronizing rules which take their agency away and make them stand in front of closed gyms and restaurants while life on the Upper East side thrives.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 6 2021 10:09am

wut? man it might take you couple days.. but sit and re read that for a while until it makes sense.

Personally I have no issue with this but they effect the ER system. Even in my lefty haven of WA people are getting delayed from stuff if they want to be "keeping their DR" (insert irony)
and we just getting started. WA is a funny case, we had such strict long lock downs even high % vax we having a boom just starting in cases. This is the first time this state has been fully open.

How about if people get covid on a 3 week cruise and super spread it and people die as a result because the cruise company didnt due it's due diligence in testing or vaccination requirements.

its funny to hear the same crowd that claimed action against Trump was just the result of liberal activist courts also pretend liability for covid death lawsuits are impossible against businesses.

you're not qualified to argue a parking ticket so maybe u could do yourself a favor and shut up. try to keep your narratives consistent at least dunce.

Except that the vaccines are no longer 90+% effective against infection with the delta variant. Recent CDC estimates say the vaccination reduces the infection risk by a factor of 3, which would correspond to an efficacy of around 67%.

Delta's base reproduction number is estimated to lie between 5 and 8, so the threshold for herd immunity would be 85++% efficacy with 90+% vaccinated. In other words: herd immunity is no longer possible, even perfect vaccine uptake would not get community spread down to zero. Even a fully vaccinated population would still see exponential growth once all restrictions are dropped (for a limited amount of time).

Look, I am not saying that the vaccines are worthless when it comes to slowing the spread, they still are, and the higher we can get them, the better. But what a lot of people seemingly don't understand is just how huge of a hit these recent findings by the CDC would be for the efforts to slow the spread (if they are confirmed). The factor by which the vaccines reduce the effective reproduction number dropped to somewhere between 1/5th and 1/10th of where we hoped it would be. This does have huge implications for the way we handle the disease in the future. Like I said before: following the path of the UK is the only logical conclusion. Instead, lawmakers are increasingly dividing and separating people based on their vaccination status.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 6 2021 10:28am

No one ever suggested that cruise ship companies should not test their passengers before putting out to sea.

sheep dont need to know that they'll be less itchy after the sheers, they just need to know when to lie still.

in an era where idiots argue about technicalities they are too stupid to understand i dont care what measures it takes from private businesses to increase vaccination rates, as long as its constitutionally legal.

and the people still too stupid to get it because they believe a stupid nonsense narrative can die, and im fine with that.

... and a few years later, people with this attitude are bewildered that a Trump-like figure came to power and wonder how it could happen yet again.


At least something we can agree on.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 6 2021 11:06am