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Jul 24 2020 09:55pm
Quote (excellence @ 25 Jul 2020 03:13)


Orange man good indeed. This is good policy and good politcs. Economic populism is what Trump needs right now, and if he can combine it with policies that help him shore up his slipping support among seniors, all the better.
If he can at the same time keep a serious approach to coronavirus and stay on message, he might still find an opening to turn this race around.

Nonetheless, if I were a Trump campaign official, I wouldnt be particularly thrilled about the premise of "he can still win if he stays on message". :wacko: :unsure:
All evidence form the past 4 years suggests that he will not stay on message, that he will not keep up a serious approach to the pandemic, and that he will find other ways to shoot himself in the foot too. :rolleyes:
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Jul 24 2020 10:38pm
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Bernell Trammell, a prominent Trump supporting black rastafari known for his rasta street preaching and political activism in support of Trump, was shot to death in Milwaukee

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Armstrong Ramsone (the pen name of local artist and writer Adebisi Agoro) wrote on the site The God Degree that he recorded video interviews with Trammell just hours before his death. “Earlier today he had mentioned to me ‘you wouldn’t guess the amount of hate I received from Black people,'” he wrote. Agoro became curious about Trammell’s political beliefs after seeing him at a bus stop and decided to ask “about what I saw on Facebook and why he was holding the Trump sign?” Agoro recorded videos of an interview he conducted that day in which Trammell, clutching a pro Trump sign, explains his political beliefs. You can see those videos here.

“I have encouraged Afro-Americans from all walks of life and culture here in Wisconsin and particularly here in Milwaukee to vote Donald Trump for this year. Trump 2020. I believe Trump is the sign of the times,” Trammell says in one of the videos, recorded outside his publishing business near the very spot where he would be shot a few hours later. He is standing in front of a “Wisconsin Vote Donald Trump” sign in that video.

“No less than two hours after I left from filming Ras Bernell I had heard word from Facebook that the someone in the area that Ras Bernell stays in had been shot,” Ransome wrote on The God Degree. “To my surprise it was Ras Bernell. The moment I had read the news I was attempting to upload the above videos used in this post onto my laptop for use…He was murdered right outside of his shop where we were just speaking. His home. Seemingly these were his last words.”


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Quote (Goomshill @ 25 Jul 2020 00:38)
https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/bernell-trammell/

https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/bernell-trammell.jpg

Bernell Trammell, a prominent Trump supporting black rastafari known for his rasta street preaching and political activism in support of Trump, was shot to death in Milwaukee



RIP
Definitely a victim of some mostly peaceful protestors that were looking for bread
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Jul 25 2020 08:47am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 24 2020 08:55pm)
Orange man good indeed. This is good policy and good politcs. Economic populism is what Trump needs right now, and if he can combine it with policies that help him shore up his slipping support among seniors, all the better.
If he can at the same time keep a serious approach to coronavirus and stay on message, he might still find an opening to turn this race around.

Nonetheless, if I were a Trump campaign official, I wouldnt be particularly thrilled about the premise of "he can still win if he stays on message". :wacko: :unsure:
All evidence form the past 4 years suggests that he will not stay on message, that he will not keep up a serious approach to the pandemic, and that he will find other ways to shoot himself in the foot too. :rolleyes:


I actually like this move by trump..
irony is it's pretty damn socialist.. LOL
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Jul 25 2020 02:06pm
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Public health isnt in the constitution at all. Its a states issue, so it was a huge bungle.

We will probably always disagree for immigration. It will be the downfall of our civilization within fifty years - even if youve never felt the effects as an entrenched oligarch.

Social media isnt the problem. The monolithic mainstream media is in the pockets of anti american interests. It could be soros or china but the result is the same. Society cant work when the media as a whole is working to destroy the country.


It's not explicitly in the Constitution, but "general welfare" is in the Preamble and Congress has the power to regulate interstate commerce. Case law supports the argument that the government can be a provider of healthcare. I guess I disagree on immigration because my family immigrated here in the late 1800s and early 1900s. The Irish and Italians were treated like complete dog shit yet the assimilated just fine. Everyone eventually assimilates.

Define mainstream media. There's a massive spectrum of print media and the news doesn't really have an unfair distribution (FoxNews has some of the most reach, Tucker is the most watched person on cable, etc.) You can listen to w/e the hell you want in this country and that's part of what makes it great.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 24 2020 08:42pm)
Well, since February, the worst public health crisis in a century has hit the entire world, crashing the economy that was the centerpiece of Trump's reelection pitch, exposing his incompetence in running an administration, raising the salience of the issue of healthcare, which is quite literally the worst policy issue for Republicans, covering the glaring weaknesses of his challenger and preventing him from holding his rallies and taking advantage of being a much more energetic and charismatic campaigner.

Covid was already a quintuple whammy for Trump even before he bungled the response.

DC v. Heller was decided in the summer of 2008, months before Obama's inauguration.


Covid, in a vacuum, isn't necessarily bad for Trump's reelection prospects. If he had taken it seriously as a 'war time president,' we wouldn't even be dealing with it now. Hell, we might not have had to deal with BLM either since a lot of people were just pissed for being cooped for so long. I genuinely think that if we were in the same state as Europe is right now with covid, Trump would be a heavy favorite. Ultimately, it was an immense opportunity and he couldn't rise to the challenge.

I guess I misremembered re: Heller. For some reason, I thought it was 2010 but that's Citizen's United (also a big win for liberty!)
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Jul 25 2020 02:21pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 24 2020 10:42pm)
Well, since February, the worst public health crisis in a century has hit the entire world, crashing the economy that was the centerpiece of Trump's reelection pitch, exposing his incompetence in running an administration, raising the salience of the issue of healthcare, which is quite literally the worst policy issue for Republicans, covering the glaring weaknesses of his challenger and preventing him from holding his rallies and taking advantage of being a much more energetic and charismatic campaigner.

Covid was already a quintuple whammy for Trump even before he bungled the response.

This is a good point I've made before as well: it would have been better for everyone if Hillary had won the Dem primaries in 2008. She would have run an administration at least as efficient as Obama's and pursued largely the same policies without serving as a catalyst for liberal and conservative identity politics. She would imho have lost in 2012 to some conventional Republican, and then in 2016 or 2020, a more experienced and matured Obama could have taken over and been a much better president than he was in 2008-16.

DC v. Heller was decided in the summer of 2008, months before Obama's inauguration.


Other countries got their first cases the same week we did and handled it much better. We are basically racing Brazil for the title of worst handled pandemic.

If Trump had taken adequate action we probably still wouldn't be South Korea, but we could at least be Germany.
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Jul 25 2020 02:32pm
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https://heavy.com/news/2020/07/bernell-trammell/

https://heavy.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/bernell-trammell.jpg

Bernell Trammell, a prominent Trump supporting black rastafari known for his rasta street preaching and political activism in support of Trump, was shot to death in Milwaukee


The Beast is missleading souls so much.
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Jul 25 2020 02:37pm
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Other countries got their first cases the same week we did and handled it much better. We are basically racing Brazil for the title of worst handled pandemic.

If Trump had taken adequate action we probably still wouldn't be South Korea, but we could at least be Germany.


We are throwing around money and overheating the presses like our house is on fire on top of it.
We cannot even give handouts without feeding the wealthy.
"Blue collar billionaire" to the rescue again.
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Jul 25 2020 02:44pm
Quote (thundercock @ 25 Jul 2020 22:06)
Covid, in a vacuum, isn't necessarily bad for Trump's reelection prospects. If he had taken it seriously as a 'war time president,' we wouldn't even be dealing with it now. Hell, we might not have had to deal with BLM either since a lot of people were just pissed for being cooped for so long. I genuinely think that if we were in the same state as Europe is right now with covid, Trump would be a heavy favorite. Ultimately, it was an immense opportunity and he couldn't rise to the challenge.

I guess I misremembered re: Heller. For some reason, I thought it was 2010 but that's Citizen's United (also a big win for liberty!)


Covid case numbers are creeping up all across Europe... and Australia and Japan and Hong Kong and Singapore. Also keep in mind that the people in Europe only accepted longer/stricter lockdowns because of stronger social security entitlements that covered them during this period. All across the industrialized world, the outlook is not good at all at the moment. The fall is gonna be brutal on both the public health and the economic front - in all these countries, not just in the US.

Also keep in mind that the economic devastations are not even close to fully visible yet. If we wanna stay with the war metaphor: corona is a war that will, even in the best case scenarios, end with lots of loss of life and wealth, and little to no visible "victories". Sure, like any wartime president, world leaders got a sizable surge in popularity at the onset as long as they handled it with a bare minimum of competence (read: not Trump or Bolsonaro). Even Trump got a mini-bump in his approval ratings for 2 weeks or so. But this bump in their approval will quickly fade.

Presiding over this kind of war is ultimately a losing proposition, if you're a politician, you do NOT want to be in office when something like this happens. Approval of the heads of government will dip across the world during fall, just wait and see. Even if Trump had handled corona as well as European politicians, the situation would still have been a huge blow to his reelection prospects. He made things even worse for himself by completely dropping the ball, no doubt about that, but the notion that he'd be totally fine with a better response to the pandemic is very short-sighted.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jul 25 2020 03:44pm)
Covid case numbers are creeping up all across Europe... and Australia and Japan and Hong Kong and Singapore. Also keep in mind that the people in Europe only accepted longer/stricter lockdowns because of stronger social security entitlements that covered them during this period. All across the industrialized world, the outlook is not good at all at the moment. The fall is gonna be brutal on both the public health and the economic front - in all these countries, not just in the US.

Also keep in mind that the economic devastations are not even close to fully visible yet. If we wanna stay with the war metaphor: corona is a war that will, even in the best case scenarios, end with lots of loss of life and wealth, and little to no visible "victories". Sure, like any wartime president, world leaders got a sizable surge in popularity at the onset as long as they handled it with a bare minimum of competence (read: not Trump or Bolsonaro). Even Trump got a mini-bump in his approval ratings for 2 weeks or so. But this bump in their approval will quickly fade.

Presiding over this kind of war is ultimately a losing proposition, if you're a politician, you do NOT want to be in office when something like this happens. Approval of the heads of government will dip across the world during fall, just wait and see. Even if Trump had handled corona as well as European politicians, the situation would still have been a huge blow to his reelection prospects. He made things even worse for himself by completely dropping the ball, no doubt about that, but the notion that he'd be totally fine with a better response to the pandemic is very short-sighted.


Trump is uniquely unsuited to bad times as a president. He is fundamentally incapable of being positive and so when everything is negative he just looks like an a******

Similarly he is not capable of listening to experts or coming up with policy and leading, so an actual crisis was always going to tank him

He happened to get a 2 on his roll, but he was going to fail even with a 10 (out of 20)

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jul 25 2020 02:56pm
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