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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 10 2021 08:25pm)
Some groups of themes:

- immigration, integration, national indentity, race-baiting
- globalism vs nationalism
- undermining the core familiy as the nucleus of society
- undermining free speech and intellectual freedom via promoting a culture of denunciation, outrage and cancellation
- fueling divisive indentity politics as a form of "divide and conquer" strategy on behalf of the rich and powerful
- strangling the country's entrepreneurial culture of risk-taking and self-responsibility to death with exuberant red tape and taxes (this issue is maybe 70% economic and 30% cultural)

There's probably some more that I forgot. Generally speaking, the social/cultural policies of Democrats foster an atomized society with low cohesion, neighborhoods with low social capital, everyone being a lonely, isolated worker drone scared of stepping out of line, unable to organize or critically challenge the status quo.

The corporate-/Biden-wing of the party wants to preserve the status quo of corporate rule while expanding the scope and power of the state. The Bernie/AOC wing of the party wants to take power away from corporations and give it to the state, on which large swaths of the population are supposed to depend. What neither faction of the Democrats offers is an ideology or policies to give power back to ordinary, middle-class citizens.


lol, pretty much all of that is the result of or not even attempted to be fixed by Republican and right wing policy.

Globalism is literally just capitalism across borders, which Republicans continually fight for. Their policies on immigration don't solve illegal immigration and actively exclude immigrants from integrating into society. Democrats, not Republicans, want to support families through things like child tax credits and maternity leave. Republicans participate in "cancel culture" far more than the left will ever dream, the most common reason for a book to be taken out of print or banned from a library is because it features LGBTQ themes. We have never had a totally free speech society, and your right to association and speech necessitates the ability to "cancel" things you don't like. Identity politics.... really? That's Republican bread and butter. It was Trump's entire Florida campaign. The best times of United States industry were the liberal boom of the 50's through the 70's and started stalling when we let Republican conservatism take hold. Believe it or not, but when you put things in place like a strong minimum wage, strong worker protections, make training available for workers through education, and regulations that prevent companies from passing costs onto their surrounding communities then things get better for businesses, not worse. If you want a perfect example of Republicans strangling American entrepreneurism look no further than green energy. They've sabotaged it for the past 50 years and as a result China is the world's green power house.


Sometimes I really underestimate how full of right wing propaganda your brain is lol. Literally every "cultural issue" you think the United States has was actively put there by Republicans.

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lol, pretty much all of that is the result of or not even attempted to be fixed by Republican and right wing policy.

Globalism is literally just capitalism across borders, which Republicans continually fight for. Their policies on immigration don't solve illegal immigration and actively exclude immigrants from integrating into society. Democrats, not Republicans, want to support families through things like child tax credits and maternity leave. Republicans participate in "cancel culture" far more than the left will ever dream, the most common reason for a book to be taken out of print or banned from a library is because it features LGBTQ themes. We have never had a totally free speech society, and your right to association and speech necessitates the ability to "cancel" things you don't like. Identity politics.... really? That's Republican bread and butter. It was Trump's entire Florida campaign. The best times of United States industry were the liberal boom of the 50's through the 70's and started stalling when we let Republican conservatism take hold. Believe it or not, but when you put things in place like a strong minimum wage, strong worker protections, make training available for workers through education, and regulations that prevent companies from passing costs onto their surrounding communities then things get better for businesses, not worse. If you want a perfect example of Republicans strangling American entrepreneurism look no further than green energy. They've sabotaged it for the past 50 years and as a result China is the world's green power house.


Sometimes I really underestimate how full of right wing propaganda your brain is lol. Literally every "cultural issue" you think the United States has was actively put there by Republicans.


Reagan won by contrasting the economic malaise and pessimism of Carter against his own optimism and belief in the American people. He was elected specifically because there was intense public dissatisfaction with the state of the economy, and because the Carter response to that dissatisfaction was to "do with less".

The American economy experienced an unprecedented period of growth in the late 80s and early 90s under pro-growth Republican and Democratic administrations.

Your economic takes are simply not grounded in any semblance of historical reality.
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Reagan won by contrasting the economic malaise and pessimism of Carter against his own optimism and belief in the American people. He was elected specifically because there was intense public dissatisfaction with the state of the economy, and because the Carter response to that dissatisfaction was to "do with less".

The American economy experienced an unprecedented period of growth in the late 80s and early 90s under pro-growth Republican and Democratic administrations.

Your economic takes are simply not grounded in any semblance of historical reality.


Reagan kickstarted this growth by annihilating the future.

Massive tax cuts that annihilated the deficit, selling off natural resources we are currently strapped for, etc. etc.

Any president can make the economy grow if they are willing to sacrifice the future, and that's exactly what every president since Reagan has done unfortunately. Almost all of our current problems, the deregulation, massive corporations, inequality, etc. can be traced back to the right wing policy swing under Reagan and Bush.

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Reagan won by contrasting the economic malaise and pessimism of Carter against his own optimism and belief in the American people. He was elected specifically because there was intense public dissatisfaction with the state of the economy, and because the Carter response to that dissatisfaction was to "do with less".

The American economy experienced an unprecedented period of growth in the late 80s and early 90s under pro-growth Republican and Democratic administrations.

Your economic takes are simply not grounded in any semblance of historical reality.


which is what happens when one does not need to exist in reality. govt pays for everything for that user (subisdy/food/lab funding/housing/stimulus) so anyone that was/is somewhat critical of government is the enemy.

inb4 the usual repressed frustrated homophobic retort from that little fella

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Reagan kickstarted this growth by annihilating the future.

Massive tax cuts that annihilated the deficit, selling off natural resources we are currently strapped for, etc. etc.

Any president can make the economy grow if they are willing to sacrifice the future, and that's exactly what every president since Reagan has done unfortunately. Almost all of our current problems, the deregulation, massive corporations, inequality, etc. can be traced back to the right wing policy swing under Reagan and Bush.


The Soviets couldn't have said it better.

In reality, real median household income has skyrocketed since the 1970s. Life expectancy was a full 5 years shorter. The economic and technological gains made in the 80s and 90s is directly responsible for the progress we've made today. This is a leftist counterpart of 1950s social conservative nostalgia.

Real economic growth since 2000-2005 has been slow. Life expectancy peaked in the mid-2010s. American infrastructure is in need to repair, and our political institutions don't look nearly so solid as they did ~20 years ago. These are problems we need to solve, but we start by recognizing that socialism was put to the test over a period of decades and failed catastrophically. It's over.
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The Soviets couldn't have said it better.

In reality, real median household income has skyrocketed since the 1970s. Life expectancy was a full 5 years shorter. The economic and technological gains made in the 80s and 90s is directly responsible for the progress we've made today. This is a leftist counterpart of 1950s social conservative nostalgia.

Real economic growth since 2000-2005 has been slow. Life expectancy peaked in the mid-2010s. American infrastructure is in need to repair, and our political institutions don't look nearly so solid as they did ~20 years ago. These are problems we need to solve, but we start by recognizing that socialism was put to the test over a period of decades and failed catastrophically. It's over.


You sound like 2010 Fox News lol. "We have problems, therefore socialism failed!" because we haven't lurched to the right in the past 30 years despite overwhelming popularity and success of further left policies.

No matter what you say the evidence is overwhelming that a higher minimum wage, national healthcare, and stronger anti-trust policy would be a boon for the economy. Too bad even Democrats only give tepid support for any of that. They'd win virtually every election in a landslide if they actually nutted up and pushed overwhelmingly popular and successful economic policy.



Also we've been over how "household income" is not alone a reliable indicator because many things, including healthcare and education, have gone up much faster which results in less spending power overall, and we can also add in that the "household income" is becoming increasingly top-heavy due to wealth inequaltiy. I know it's a lost cause though. You aren't capable of thinking of things as an interconnected web. You have to look at household income alone or your brain explodes.

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Reagan kickstarted this growth by annihilating the future.

Massive tax cuts that annihilated the deficit, selling off natural resources we are currently strapped for, etc. etc.

Any president can make the economy grow if they are willing to sacrifice the future, and that's exactly what every president since Reagan has done unfortunately. Almost all of our current problems, the deregulation, massive corporations, inequality, etc. can be traced back to the right wing policy swing under Reagan and Bush.


Where the fuck do you get this from?
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Where the fuck do you get this from?


Reality lol. Reagan was a bigger debt spender than Obama. He sold off important strategic resources like the national helium reserves for which we now have a massive shortage, his deregulation nation was a direct cause or a direct precursor to the deregulation that allowed massive corporate mergers of the 90's and 2000's.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Mar 10 2021 11:28pm)
Reality lol. Reagan was a bigger debt spender than Obama. He sold off important strategic resources like the national helium reserves for which we now have a massive shortage, his deregulation nation was a direct cause or a direct precursor to the deregulation that allowed massive corporate mergers of the 90's and 2000's.



Helium is a gas that escapes the atmosphere. It was always going to run out this is dumb as shit and obvious kindergarten level propaganda

Reagan is the goddamn reason we have computers today

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Quote (EndlessSky @ Mar 10 2021 10:55pm)
Helium is a gas that escapes the atmosphere. It was always going to run out this is dumb as shit and obvious kindergarten level propaganda

Reagan is the goddamn reason we have computers today


God just when I think you can't get dumber you keep saying dumber and dumber shit.
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