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Mar 8 2020 10:54pm
Quote (fender @ 9 Mar 2020 05:50)
that's pretty rich coming from someone who defended trump's comments regarding the lethality of covid-19, directly contradicting facts and expert opinions:

http://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=82599638&f=119&p=555598462


In my post that you're referring to, I said that Trump is most likely right with what he said from a purely technical perspective. This doesnt mean that it was smart to communicate this point the way he did, or to even communicate it at all.
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Mar 8 2020 11:01pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 9 Mar 2020 05:54)
In my post that you're referring to, I said that Trump is most likely right with what he said from a purely technical perspective. This doesnt mean that it was smart to communicate this point the way he did, or to even communicate it at all.


and in your desperation to defend your emperor's moronic and dangerous statements, you just outright ignored the possibility that unregistered cases can obviously also result in death, and completely dismissed the possibility that the experts accounted for those factors to give a realistic estimate of the threat.

in short, you went full science-denial in order to make excuses for a clearly politically motivated statement concerning covid-19. i rest my case.
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Mar 8 2020 11:12pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 8 2020 11:50pm)
Well, tbh, I think it's kinda hard to disentangle "the narrative" from "justified criticism of a lackluster government response". Democrats try to blow the extent of the disease and the degree of failure in the government response out of proportion to score political points. Similarly, Trump and Republicans deflect, put blame on Democrats and local authorities (which happen to be Democrats too in most of the hotspots) and downplay the threat level because it politically serves them.

tldr: American politics is a shitshow.


The fact that the virus is going to keep spreading is not an indictment of any political entity. No matter who the president is, the science just isn't there to combat/contain the virus effectively.
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Mar 8 2020 11:38pm
My former community college just closed down and is converting classes to online for the foreseeable future after declaring a state of emergency. Two employees were potentially exposed.

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Mar 9 2020 02:19am
Quote (fender @ 9 Mar 2020 01:10)
you are aware that italy has the 2nd most confirmed cases worldwide, right? more than 10 times as many as spain, 60 times the critical cases, 20 times the death toll, with new confirmed infections growing exponentially by the week ( https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ ). of course that doesn't justify complete overreaction or outright mass panic, but it certainly warrants more severe measures.

i'm curious what exactly you consider 'ridiculous', and how you think the virus would spread without containing measures. what do you think would happen if the italian government was equally chill and didn't "give a fuck about this bullshit virus".


Shutting down their most productive region for a whole month, considering their economy isn't exactly in the best shape, is far more damaging than letting this virus spread. Isolate the elderly, if anything... the rest should go on with their lives.
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Shutting down their most productive region for a whole month, considering their economy isn't exactly in the best shape, is far more damaging than letting this virus spread. Isolate the elderly, if anything... the rest should go on with their lives.


YEAH, it's so hard to explain this to all the stupids egoistics ignorants professors and politics (of different countries) who decided to contain the disease as early as possible to contain the exponential progression, even if it's about to provoke a reeee-session.
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Quote (zarkadon @ 9 Mar 2020 09:19)
Shutting down their most productive region for a whole month, considering their economy isn't exactly in the best shape, is far more damaging than letting this virus spread. Isolate the elderly, if anything... the rest should go on with their lives.


how do you define "more damaging"? economically? well, duh - but how would you weigh unnecessary loss of human life against that?

also, you make it sound like they shut down their complete industry in northern italy, which simply is not correct. they shut down schools, cultural events, and tourist venues, severly restricted public venues and sporting events, and put the region under quarantine - very severe and economically damaging measures for sure, but it's not like they just switched northern italy off. given the severity of the outbreak there, can you really not understand how that might be justified? i mean, your comparison with spain makes very little sense if you look at the actual numbers (that i provided in my previous post). you sound unusually cynical on this...
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 9 Mar 2020 09:59)
YEAH, it's so hard to explain this to all the stupids egoistics ignorants professors and politics (of different countries) who decided to contain the disease as early as possible to contain the exponential progression, even if it's about to provoke a reeee-session.
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As soon as possible, yes, but now Italy is way past that. At this point it's far worse to try to contain it at the expense of economic growth, because the amount of production halted is way too high.
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Mar 9 2020 03:50am
You can't drag your ass in a situation like this. This is a bitch of a virus that spreads like wildfire if you give it a chance hence the draconian measures taken in china. Their economic growth is the pride of the nation, is there anyone here who believes they'd put 60M people on lock down if there was another way to contain this outbreak?
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Mar 9 2020 03:51am
Quote (fender @ 9 Mar 2020 10:39)
how do you define "more damaging"? economically? well, duh - but how would you weigh unnecessary loss of human life against that?

also, you make it sound like they shut down their complete industry in northern italy, which simply is not correct. they shut down schools, cultural events, and tourist venues, severly restricted public venues and sporting events, and put the region under quarantine - very severe and economically damaging measures for sure, but it's not like they just switched northern italy off. given the severity of the outbreak there, can you really not understand how that might be justified? i mean, your comparison with spain makes very little sense if you look at the actual numbers (that i provided in my previous post). you sound unusually cynical on this...


All of those things create a lot of money... plus a bunch of other stuff like gyms, malls, etc... gone for a month.

The government should focus on isolating the most vulnerable people, not restricting the country's economy or the every day life of the general population, which for the most part will be ok if they contract the virus.

We all benefit from economic growth and production, and that's why we chose to build a capitalist (or at least mixed economy) society... deliberately causing a massive blow to the economy over a virus with such a low mortality rate, even if widespread, is unnecessary considering it will lead to harsh consequence for the overall population of the country for several years.
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