you do realise that "wall" is not slang for "healthcare", right? obviously they opposed that idiotic campaign promise - as any reasonable person would, but they did not oppose whatever his healthcare 'plan' was. again, i said they are closer to moderate republicans, not to trump.

healthcare is a central campaign platform for Warren, the wall was a central campaign platform for Trump. asking both how they'll pay for healthcare doesn't address their central campaign promises. and it was clear to anyone and everyone that Trump had next to no plan on healthcare, his answers were "open up state lines, end Obamacare", etc. Whereas Warren has a laid out plan for her healthcare vision, and therefore math can be directly applied. Comparable to the wall, which CNN can call a contractor up to get an estimate of total cost to at least get Trump to try and explain the math on.

if they asked all candidates the exact same question, bereft of their platforms, it would be "fair", but a lot of questions would be wasted with nonanswers.

Warren's plan being questioned on math is a good thing, like i said in my anecdote many democratic voters doubt the realistic nature of medicare for all. Also demonstrable from the poll taken on stage in the debate of who would abolish private healthcare plans.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jan 9 2020 01:46pm

https://twitter.com/AlexKokcharov/status/1215342282007818241

not official or anything just sharing something that could be news related to the airplane crash.
could be fake
could be real

they are hyper critical of what they oppose. asking politicians how they pay for their promises is fair, being consistent about it would be objective. they aren't though.

how would asking Trump and Warren how they'll pay for their plan be consistent, when warren has a plan actually drafted in full, and Trump has just platitudes? what would Trump even provide math on for healthcare? he didnt have a laid out plan.

they ask for math on plans that are laid out, border walls, medicare for all bills already in the legislature, etc.

so if they're "hyper critical" of both trump and warren, this means that CNN treats both the same? otherwise what's the distinction?

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jan 9 2020 01:52pm

the fact that trump didn't actually have a plan doesn't mean healthcare wasn't an issue prior to the 2016 elections, or that he didn't make any promises. they consistently frame the healthcare with an establishment spin, they aren't even as remotely as critical and investigative when it comes to biden's or buttigieg's promises. it's funny that someone who claims to be so critical of msm doesn't seem to realise that...

i realize everything you're saying, clearly the relationship isn't reciprocal.

Warren, has healthcare plan, get's asked about plan, costs are estimated for her plan by someone, get's asked how she'll pay for those estimated costs.

Trump, doesn't have healthcare plan, nothing on paper, costs can't be estimated.

Biden, has healthcare plan, brags openly about how he also has a laid out plan for how to pay for his plan before the moderator can even ask how he'll pay for it.


how exactly can Trump answer questions with math on how to pay for a plan when the estimate of the costs is an X and not a #, because he doesnt have a plan? they pressed him repeatedly to outline his plan, to which he responded ".....state lines. obama.... businessman......."

the media does indeed lean towards establishment norms, your example of Trump vs Warren with math on healthcare is just a poor one.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jan 9 2020 02:06pm

fair enough, that's legitimate criticism. just glad you still got my point and engaged with it in good faith.

Criticism of Trump tends to be on his lack of plan, which makes sense for a newcomer to politics who plays it fast and loose.

Warren is a career politician, with laid out plans all available to the public, and she's seen as stable to the point of milktoast.

Biden is the guy for the media, he's as status quo as u can get. they'd back him more but any time they do he grabs a 10 year old girl or loses control of his teeth lmao.

Trump's healthcare "plan", consisted of...
removing waste and fraud
reversing the opioid epidemic
removing the individual mandate

it's not truly a "plan" as both of you have stated, but there has been progression on his agenda.

-individual mandate is gone and deemed unconstitutional by recent court decisions.
-DHS's OIG has been constantly rolling out audits of numerous branches of the medical complex.
-the opioid issue has actually been addressed. it wasn't too long ago that they brought down a ring spanning like 13 states (the exact number eludes me, but i could find it quick)(pretty sure was one of the last posts in the DHS thread i made)

Trump doesn't have a healthcare plan for the future as far as i'm aware, he'll have to think this up pretty soon i imagine.
he does have a healthcare agenda though, and that's to see where we actually are on healthcare now.