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Apr 3 2019 09:44am
Quote (IceMage @ Apr 2 2019 09:26am)
Nah... it's more like there's plenty of reasons to dislike the president, and thus crossing Russiagate off the list doesn't move the needle either way for practically anybody.


Is that where you guys are moving the goal posts to now ? Sure they didn’t find zero collusion, but, BUT!..his approval ratings are about the same!

The only deplorables who this doesn’t move the needle for, are the never-Trump humpers, like yourself. Those who have been living in their delusional russia-collusion echo camber for the past 2+ years, in some desperate attempt to vindicate your opinions on Trump. You guys were wrong about the election, wrong about the special counsel investigation. & you still can’t manage to come up with an accurate description of how Trump won. The TDS crowd has been SO desperate to be right about Trump, they’ve not only been actively cheering but desperately hoping that the POTUS actually did collude with a hostile foreign nation to affect the 2016 election, so they can justify all their delusions. Sad!
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Is that where you guys are moving the goal posts to now ? Sure they didn’t find zero collusion, but, BUT!..his approval ratings are about the same!

The only deplorables who this doesn’t move the needle for, are the never-Trump humpers, like yourself. Those who have been living in their delusional russia-collusion echo camber for the past 2+ years, in some desperate attempt to vindicate your opinions on Trump. You guys were wrong about the election, wrong about the special counsel investigation. & you still can’t manage to come up with an accurate description of how Trump won. The TDS crowd has been SO desperate to be right about Trump, they’ve not only been actively cheering but desperately hoping that the POTUS actually did collude with a hostile foreign nation to affect the 2016 election, so they can justify all their delusions. Sad!


I mean... It is easier for some to believe that there was some kind of 'cheating' going on rather than that the majority of Americans are either total scumbags or entirely apathetic when it comes to politics. Because that would require facing the proposition that maybe there's something just wrong with American culture that requires large-scale, systematic change.
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I remember when this was an elephant and the signs were

"He's black"
"He's a black socialist"
"He's a black kenyan socialist muslim"
"he's a black kenyan socialist muslim terrorist"

it's good to see we are focusing on real issues now even if teflon don is held to a lower standard as president
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Apr 3 2019 10:05am
Quote (IgoSoHard @ Apr 3 2019 10:44am)
Is that where you guys are moving the goal posts to now ? Sure they didn’t find zero collusion, but, BUT!..his approval ratings are about the same!

The only deplorables who this doesn’t move the needle for, are the never-Trump humpers, like yourself. Those who have been living in their delusional russia-collusion echo camber for the past 2+ years, in some desperate attempt to vindicate your opinions on Trump. You guys were wrong about the election, wrong about the special counsel investigation. & you still can’t manage to come up with an accurate description of how Trump won. The TDS crowd has been SO desperate to be right about Trump, they’ve not only been actively cheering but desperately hoping that the POTUS actually did collude with a hostile foreign nation to affect the 2016 election, so they can justify all their delusions. Sad!


There's no goal post moving. Mueller couldn't establish a conspiracy, and Barr found that the evidence of obstruction was insufficient to warrant a charge. And separately as it relates to this topic, there weren't many(or any) people holding out support for Trump because of Russiagate.

When I say it doesn't move the needle, I mean it won't turn anti-Trumpers into pro-Trumpers. That said, I do think about Trump at least a little differently knowing that him and his team didn't cheat to win the election. I'm glad Trump was cleared.

There's a lot of reasons Trump won... I like to boil it down to the stupidity of the American voter, but if I was being more charitable my explanation is one you'd probably agree with.

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Apr 3 2019 10:59am
Quote (IceMage @ Apr 3 2019 09:05am)
There's no goal post moving. Mueller couldn't establish a conspiracy, and Barr found that the evidence of obstruction was insufficient to warrant a charge. And separately as it relates to this topic, there weren't many(or any) people holding out support for Trump because of Russiagate.

When I say it doesn't move the needle, I mean it won't turn anti-Trumpers into pro-Trumpers. That said, I do think about Trump at least a little differently knowing that him and his team didn't cheat to win the election. I'm glad Trump was cleared.

There's a lot of reasons Trump won... I like to boil it down to the stupidity of the American voter, but if I was being more charitable my explanation is one you'd probably agree with.


Calling people stupid...



when you've been consistently wrong.
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Apr 3 2019 11:08am
Quote (IceMage @ Apr 3 2019 12:21am)
Translation: I can't give a reasonable defense for why I believed the Trump campaign or those associated with it couldn't have colluded, so I'll just say it's common sense.

Trump's son, son-in-law, and campaign manager literally took a meeting in an attempt to collude with the Russian government. You have to be a delusional fool to look at that and still think the collusion question was some ridiculous deep state, left-wing narrative.



It's weird what a cult does to people.


At work so I’ll give a quick response.


Goom explained the dynamics of why Russia hated Hillary about a million times. Throughout the campaign Trump was facing smear campaign after smear campaign.

It’s not about believing Trump doofus, It’s about looking at the mosaic of all the circumstances both pre and post election and using your brain to come up with the conclusion this was a political move looking to discredit his presidency.

You wasted years following and spamming conspiracy theories. If that wasn’t bad enough you’re still in denial and have the audacity to call other people cultists when you yourself believe something that’s not true. If you cared about the truth you would be critical of the people that fed you these lies instead you double down on the propaganda.
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Apr 3 2019 11:09am
Quote (TransTankie @ 3 Apr 2019 11:50)
I mean... It is easier for some to believe that there was some kind of 'cheating' going on rather than that the majority of Americans are either total scumbags or entirely apathetic when it comes to politics. Because that would require facing the proposition that maybe there's something just wrong with American culture that requires large-scale, systematic change.

no one here cares what you pretend to think from your privileged aristocratic ivory tower that's walled off from the rest of the people who work for a living in Britain.
*LAUGH OUT LOUD*

e: reported, btw
Quote (IgoSoHard @ 3 Apr 2019 11:44)
Is that where you guys are moving the goal posts to now ? Sure they didn’t find zero collusion, but, BUT!..his approval ratings are about the same!

The only deplorables who this doesn’t move the needle for, are the never-Trump humpers, like yourself. Those who have been living in their delusional russia-collusion echo camber for the past 2+ years, in some desperate attempt to vindicate your opinions on Trump. You guys were wrong about the election, wrong about the special counsel investigation. & you still can’t manage to come up with an accurate description of how Trump won. The TDS crowd has been SO desperate to be right about Trump, they’ve not only been actively cheering but desperately hoping that the POTUS actually did collude with a hostile foreign nation to affect the 2016 election, so they can justify all their delusions. Sad!


Quote (Landmine @ 3 Apr 2019 12:59)
Calling people stupid...



when you've been consistently wrong.


lmao at anyone (especially some little fella like icepeon) calling anyone else stupid when they're the group denying math and elections and investigations for years now. remember this is exactly what privileged lefties were saying Trump supporters were gonna do when they were lapping up the (C)linton +12 polls a couple weeks before the election.

this is what they're stuck with. 'drumpf and his supporters are stupid' but we can't seem to persuade or outsmart either to do "what we think is best for them".

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Quote (IceMage @ Apr 3 2019 11:33am)
So you're making the point that Trump's supporters are cult-like in that they support him regardless of any wrongdoing found?

That's a fair observation, I agree.




Actually making the point that the image is making. The Dems are sooo desparate to get rid of Trump, that they no longer make one-use signs.
They now have universal signs, where they can easily change the latest accusation to the flavor of the week.
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Apr 3 2019 11:33am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 3 2019 12:08pm)
At work so I’ll give a quick response.


Goom explained the dynamics of why Russia hated Hillary about a million times. Throughout the campaign Trump was facing smear campaign after smear campaign.

It’s not about believing Trump doofus, It’s about looking at the mosaic of all the circumstances both pre and post election and using your brain to come up with the conclusion this was a political move looking to discredit his presidency.

You wasted years following and spamming conspiracy theories. If that wasn’t bad enough you’re still in denial and have the audacity to call other people cultists when you yourself believe something that’s not true. If you cared about the truth you would be critical of the people that fed you these lies instead you double down on the propaganda.


So basically since the campaign you've categorized every negative Trump story in your head as "orange man bad" and aren't capable of distinguishing between issues that are legitimate and those that are not. Then you come here to pontificate on things you know nothing about.

Russiagate was an interesting story that revealed a ton of wrongdoing by Trump and his associates... it definitely wasn't a waste of time to follow it. What am I in denial about? Lol.

I don't know what lies you are speaking of. I'd ask you to be more specific but I know you have no idea what you're talking about, as per usual.
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Quote (IceMage @ Apr 3 2019 10:33am)
So basically since the campaign you've categorized every negative Trump story in your head as "orange man bad" and aren't capable of distinguishing between issues that are legitimate and those that are not. Then you come here to pontificate on things you know nothing about.

Russiagate was an interesting story that revealed a ton of wrongdoing by Trump and his associates... it definitely wasn't a waste of time to follow it. What am I in denial about? Lol.

I don't know what lies you are speaking of. I'd ask you to be more specific but I know you have no idea what you're talking about, as per usual.


No, I haven't, we've been over this, there is valid criticism but when you cry about every little nonsensical thing it diminishes from actual valid criticisms. I noticed you spend very little time criticizing policy but an extraordinary amount of time criticizing the way he speaks, the way he acts, tweets, et cetera. For example, I can say without a doubt that I don't like that he sold weapons to the Saudis, I don't like how he's handling Venezuela, I don't like how he's posturing NATO against Russia, I don't necessarily agree with a wall or how he handled the shutdown to name a few things that come to mind and you won't find a single one of my posts on here that is supportive in anyway of his policies on those issues. And then there are things I do agree with him that I won't bother listing. Those are legitimate issues worth talking about.

I knew enough not to follow and spread a lie. A lie that divided and polarized the country that you spread day after day based on rumors and 'anonymous sources'. The scope of Russiagate was to show collusion between Trump & Russia, it didn't. That was the objective. The objective wasn't to catch people committing unrelated money laundering or to catch people in process crimes. It was a waste of time because it was blatantly obvious that it was political. You're still in denial of why this investigation was actually started.
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