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Sep 14 2012 05:46am

You know that its a good book.
Promise this is worth it guys (unless you have no sense of humour)
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Sep 14 2012 05:58am
I like how he included manipulating human genes to to alleviate suffering and disease.
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Sep 14 2012 11:51am
Quote (poulgaragr @ Sep 14 2012 12:45am)
Challenge #1: Produce a Surah (Chapter) equal in Beauty, Literary Value, Eloquence (etc) like the Qur'an.

Since you want to attempt to take this challenge, I will give you a short synopsis and explanation:

"Say: Verily, though mankind and the jinn should assemble to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof though they were helpers one of another." / Qur'an 17:88

"And if ye are in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto Our slave (Muhammad), then produce a surah of the like thereof, and call your witness beside Allah if ye are truthful. (23) And if ye do it not - and ye can never do it - then guard yourselves against the Fire prepared for disbelievers, whose fuel is of men and stones." / Qur'an 2:23-24

"[COLOR=green]Or do they say: "He (Muhammad SAW) has forged it (this Qur'ân)?" .


I'm sorry, I guess you didn't read my post. I would like you to provide me with an objective standard by which we can compare the Qu'Ran to another work of literature. I'm not looking for examples in the Qu'Ran, I'm looking for you to provide me with a method of comparison.
Without such a method of comparison we don't have any way to judge the Qu'Ran's beauty, nor we can judge the beauty of any other work. So please, let's start from square 1, how do you determine beauty, eloquence, etc. etc.?

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Sep 14 2012 11:56am
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Sep 14 2012 04:27pm
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I'm sorry, I guess you didn't read my post.  I would like you to provide me with an objective standard by which we can compare the Qu'Ran to another work of literature.  I'm not looking for examples in the Qu'Ran, I'm looking for you to provide me with a method of comparison.
Without such a method of comparison we don't have any way to judge the Qu'Ran's beauty, nor we can judge the beauty of any other work.  So please, let's start from square 1, how do you determine beauty, eloquence, etc. etc.?


Re-Read my post.
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Sep 14 2012 11:37pm
Quote (poulgaragr @ Sep 14 2012 04:27pm)
Re-Read my post.


I read it twice before even posting. You gave examples of what you and others consider to be beautiful about the Qu'Ran, but you did not give a reason why these things are beautiful. I need a standard for comparison based on content, not opinions please.
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Sep 14 2012 11:43pm
Quote (poulgaragr @ Sep 14 2012 04:27pm)
Re-Read my post.


As Skinned said, all that post was just circular reasoning. It gave no objective method outside of the Qur'an that demonstrated the Qur'an is superior to other poetry or writings in prose and beauty.
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Sep 15 2012 06:40am
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As Skinned said, all that post was just circular reasoning. It gave no objective method outside of the Qur'an that demonstrated the Qur'an is superior to other poetry or writings in prose and beauty.


Yet you have no valid arguments; just dogmatic crap
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Sep 15 2012 10:11am
Quote (poulgaragr @ Sep 15 2012 06:40am)
Yet you have no valid arguments; just dogmatic crap


Please don 't ignore my request, how can we objectively determine if something is beautiful? Without this knowledge we can't even begin to compare the Qu'Ran with another work of literature.
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Sep 15 2012 10:41am
Quote (poulgaragr @ Sep 16 2012 12:40am)
Yet you have no valid arguments; just dogmatic crap


Yet you have no valid arguments; just dogmatic crap
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Sep 15 2012 04:08pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 15 2012 04:11pm)
Please don 't ignore my request, how can we objectively determine if something is beautiful?  Without this knowledge we can't even begin to compare the Qu'Ran with another work of literature.


I already explained in my post

Now stop dodging

Quote (Matao @ Sep 15 2012 04:41pm)
Yet you have no valid arguments; just dogmatic crap


gtfo
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