If that's truly the prescription for a case on board, I can't see how the cruise industry has any future at all. Even a fully vaccinated ship will have a relatively significant risk of at least one case breaking out.



There's a difference between vaccines providing perfect immunity, which they don't, and not being effective at reducing spread and preventing more serious complications. There's plenty of evidence to support the latter.

we do have numerous examples of fully vaccinated groups spreading covid. still, the prioritization of vaccination is important. unfortunately the ridiculous messaging: a victory-lap “mission accomplished” back in may by the government has sabotaged this effort. masks are back on the menu no matter your vax status, which was part of the incentive to get vaccinated. and then even if you are vaccinated, you are accused of being a super-spreader if you are walking your dog alone outside sans mask.

you can walk into wal-mart, walgreens, cvs etc now throughout most of the country and get the vaccine right then and there. supply isn’t the issue and hasn’t been for sometime

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5454999001

anyways all these preventative measures were not required for Lollapalooza, one of the largest concerts. The mayor of Chicago even delayed the city’s mask mandates for the concert and covid-19 delta variant was happy to oblige the delay (per the current administration’s definition of science)

still unrelated, where is the connection between stating a known fact and "stupid people who land in hospital"?

in which universe is it stupid to point out the fact that the current vaccines do not prevent the spread

do you have an actual argument?

vaccines also dont prevent small pox because it still exists. flu vaccines dont prevent the flu, because people still get the flu. masks prevent the flu but also masks are evil amirite?

so your argument is that a vaccine that's advertised as not 100% effective, in a population where only 60-70% even bother to get it, is not 100% effective?

the sky is also blue, water is wet, and you are dumb. since we're stating things no one needed to be said to know they're true.

That's what happened to countless cruise ships last fall and summer. Dunno, maybe the rules were changed since then in many places, but as a cruise will stop in many different places or jurisdictions, that's still a big concern for the organizer.



The "reducing spread"-part is where the CDC has changed their assessment in recent days. Let's go through it step by step:

• We really have to distinguish: according to recent data, the vaccinations cut the risk of a person to get infected by a factor of at least 3 (probably higher), so business owners are still justified in (a priori) expecting untested vaccinated customers to carry a lower risk of infecting their staff or other customers than untested unvaccinated.
  
  
• However, recent studies which the CDC is really playing up suggest that fully vaccinated individuals with a breakthrough infection have similar levels of viral load and thus a similar risk of infecting others as infected unvaccinated persons. I, personally, am not convinced by these studies and this conclusion, but that's where the CDC has pivoted to in recent days. It's the basis for their reversal on mask mandates for the vaccinated, it's the basis for their change in communication.
  
  
• If these findings really were true (again, I'm still skeptical), then there would be no more virological justification to treat negatively tested persons different based on their vaccination status. So shopping malls, gyms, restaurants, theaters and so on would, from a logical point of view, have to grant negatively tested unvaccinated persons the same kind of access as their vaccinated customers.

I guess and were not up to date on these findings and thus misunderstood Johnny's statement.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 6 2021 09:03am

Its funny that "not effective at reducing spread" is so widely talked about, and yet cases/day are drastically lower than pre-vaccine levels, deaths are lower, and deaths are mostly in the unvaccinated population.

pre-vaccine covid skeptics pointed to low fatality rates as an argument that government mitigation measures were unnecessary.

post-vaccine the goal posts shift from fatality levels, because it looks really bad for unvaccinated swine of the world, and now it's all about spread. a measure that previously many skeptics were calling for to INCREASE because they bought into herd immunity based on anecdotal reports form sparsely populated Scandinavian healthcare utopias with manageable population density.

oh and the CDC and academic studies can't be trusted for years, but now they're used as a counter?

if there's one thing im fully up to date on its the goal post shifting hypocrisy of "patriots" who idolize veterans that were drafted into wars for their country that now wont wear a mask to save grandma and dont stop to buy a paper rose from those veterans for 1$ to raise funds for the VA that's desperate for funds they dont want taxes raised to support.

any person opening with lines like "it doesnt stop the spread" isnt worth an intellectual engagement, they're lucky if i take the time to shitpost at them. im more worried about their existence in the context of overpopulation than i am threatened they might have a single thing worth listening to. hopefully their fear of the deepstate raises to a high enough degree they retreat to the mountains and their population dwindles and interbreeds so badly that they fuck their hillbilly line of inferior blood out of existence. the best case for society is for a hiker 200 years from now to stumble upon the hovels they once lived in as an archeological find.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Aug 6 2021 09:12am

we can just go back to two weeks to stop the spread again



not enough sleep last night? lmao

how can i sleep when im this woke sir?

but nah, the idea of govt hating idiots interbreeding themselves out of existence just makes me laugh.

last smallpox cases were like 40 years ago, its officially eradicated

get your facts straight before calling other people dumb, because you are on fenderp level right now

as i said earlier, the covid vaccines were sold as the solution to the public, but the covid karens cant deal with the fact that this shit goes around no matter what

you must be living under a rock, there are reports about vaxxed spreaders everywhere

so to get this straight, the vaccine literally sold as 90+% effective was also sold as 100% effective. OK