thats exactly the point sweetheart, she was involved everywhere and it all turned into shit

but congrats for being against turkey in the EU, a country that is not even in europe except like 1% of their territory, well done!

merkel ordered the borders to "stay open" for illegals against the law when minister of the interior thomas de maiziere was about to send the federal police to reject the migrants (later he claimed that he supported this)

the journalist robin alexander wrote a well researched book about what happened back then, merkel wanted to avoid "bad pictures" at all costs.....feelings over facts

merkel sent the message into the world that everyone can come without limits and she never corrected this, the balkan states did the work and closed the route

nice job trying to rewrite history and dont act like you dont support mass migration, you attack every single one in this forum who speaks out against it

its crazy to think that this entire debacle, many deaths, hundreds of thousands of crimes etc could have been prevented by one signature

you cannot overstate merkels role, she could also have prevented this with a single call

i know your reading comprehension is terrible, but i think this one might be due to your simplistic understanding of complex issues:

not everyone who doesn't agree with your racist stance on immigration automatically supports "uncontrolled mass migration". i have repeatedly advocated for better vetting and fairer distribution of actual refugees (not just amongst our european allies, but also those overseas, especially those that are overwhelmingly responsible for creating those crises). in this very sub btw, so it's not like this should be news to anyone who isn't completely braindead or dishonest. same about the EU's multiple eastern expansions - i have consistently criticised those, even before the likes of poland and hungary turned full fascist.

also, this might be genuinely new to you considering how ignorant you are concerning politics in general, but there has been significant support for an EU membership of turkey, so pretending the opposition to it was the default position that everyone held is either stupid or, again, blatantly dishonest.

so you just want to distribute people instead of stopping mass migration

well, its too bad that other countries are not as stupid as we are, accepting uneducated people from the worst sinkholes in the world

you talk like merkel, who repeats this narrative 1 million times, but nobody wants these people

aside from that, these so called refugees dont even want that themselves

even IF hungary for example accepts 10k afghans tomorrow, 9999 of them will be on the next train or bus to germany on monday

good of you to at least realise that accepting certain countries was a mistake (ignoring your ridiculous view on them)

since you like to argue semantics, i never claimed that being against turkey in the EU is the mainstream or not, thats irrelevant

opposing this idea of an islamic shithole, that is not even in europe, in the european (!!!!) union is the only possible stance for everyone who is not a complete retard (except those who are in favor to cash in somehow)

i am not gonna praise merkel for not being a retard on this or am i supposed to give applause for that?

should have known that even my last post was still too subtle, too sophisticated for your simplistic world view. let me try the crayon version: the "better vetting" and "actual refugees" parts indicate that i'm of the opinion not everyone who came to europe during those migration waves had a legitimate reason to. that said, i am generally in favour of taking in innocent victims from those war torn regions. i also think the main culprits behind those conflicts have to do their part in mitigating the humanitarian catastrophe they created, as should countries that themselves profited from our generosity for decades.

and again, nothing of that is new, this has been my position for literally years, and it's well documented even in this very sub. the fact that you're not smart enough to distinguish nuanced positions from your far right propaganda, which portrays every non-racist as self-hating, self-destructive, blue-haired, gender-obsessed weirdo, just illustrates how easily manipulated and fundamentally unintelligent you are. it's amazing, almost sad to see you struggle so severely with such a simple concept...

bla bla, you are stupid, bla bla

boring

the typical reply of someone who is completely overwhelmed by any degree of nuance and facts that go against their simplistic, black and white worldview, lol. thanks for proving my point, little man.

This post was edited by fender on Sep 30 2021 10:01am

Just because you personally do not mind taking in refugees, it does not mean you can let them in without consulting the rest of your countrymen. Maybe some of them don't want refugees, for any number of reason. Your country is not yours alone. You alone should not dictate its immigration policy.

i fully agree with you on that one. if there was a majority that rejected taking in refugees in my country, we absolutely should NOT do that, even though i personally think it's the right thing to do, if done correctly.

personally, i'd be in favour of federal referendums concerning such fundamental and impactful topics, like they have in switzerland, but you'd have to factor in certain aspects like participation and international commitments, and also coordinate with your fellow EU members. all that would severly slow down the already painfully cumbersome political decisionmaking process, but generally i'm absolutely in favour of such direct elements in a democracy - i can certainly see why many people oppose them though, and the legitimate arguments against them.

that said, you seem to think that somehow contradicts the post you quoted. it doesn't though. try reading again maybe?

I recommend that you be reasonably civil, if you want people to engage you in a talk. Your post was civil and reasoned up till the bolded part.

and i recommend you don't let your hurt feelings over a reasonable request get in the way of making an argument - if you have one.