Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 20 2020 11:58am)

Trump lost support among white voters, if vote totals are to be believed. That cost him the election. It had nothing to do with minorities. And the inroads to the Latino population were massive. He didn't just gain a point, he gained a lot of points. Turns out the BLM mantra adopted by the left, as well as the socialist/communist progressive platform sits incredibly poorly among that portion of the Latino population that fled socialist/communist dictatorial shitholes to make successes of themselves in a liberty-minded nation.

Either way, if/when Biden is confirmed on the 6th, and the independents who supported Trump see that the "republicans" and "conservatives" all fall directly in line with whatever Biden/Harris want them to do, they'll swear off the Republican platform entirely.

In the end, government corruption rules the day, as usual. Trump was an outlier in that he didn't need to be in government to succeed. He lost a ton of net worth, he literally sacrificed to try to make a difference. Did he make a difference? Outside of slowing down the progressive agenda by 4 years, and a few peace deals in the Middle East, not particularly. Everything bad he did will be highlighted forever, the good he did will be undone within a year, and it's back to business as usual.

Meanwhile, anyone who supported him will be castigated as some "far right crazy" when the majority were simply independents who believe the idea of America First policies by the American government is only sensible.

Quote (darkhead69 @ 20 Dec 2020 04:11)

Trump more then doubled his support from the black community and other minority communities
Trump received more votes from minorities then any republican since 1960

you are correct if trump doesnt take office its over and all people will remember is the bullshit the media spread about him and covid

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 20 2020 07:38am)

His percentage vote from minorities is on track with Reagan's. That'd be the 80's president, not 60's.

And why would covid be linked to Trump? IIRC, Trump's attempt to address covid early on was described as a "distraction" from his "impeachment" wasn't it?

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 20 2020 06:58am)

Trump lost support among white voters, if vote totals are to be believed. That cost him the election. It had nothing to do with minorities. And the inroads to the Latino population were massive. He didn't just gain a point, he gained a lot of points. Turns out the BLM mantra adopted by the left, as well as the socialist/communist progressive platform sits incredibly poorly among that portion of the Latino population that fled socialist/communist dictatorial shitholes to make successes of themselves in a liberty-minded nation.

Either way, if/when Biden is confirmed on the 6th, and the independents who supported Trump see that the "republicans" and "conservatives" all fall directly in line with whatever Biden/Harris want them to do, they'll swear off the Republican platform entirely.

In the end, government corruption rules the day, as usual. Trump was an outlier in that he didn't need to be in government to succeed. He lost a ton of net worth, he literally sacrificed to try to make a difference. Did he make a difference? Outside of slowing down the progressive agenda by 4 years, and a few peace deals in the Middle East, not particularly. Everything bad he did will be highlighted forever, the good he did will be undone within a year, and it's back to business as usual.

Meanwhile, anyone who supported him will be castigated as some "far right crazy" when the majority were simply independents who believe the idea of America First policies by the American government is only sensible.

Quote (darkhead69 @ Dec 20 2020 07:11am)

Trump more then doubled his support from the black community and other minority communities
Trump received more votes from minorities then any republican since 1960

you are correct if trump doesnt take office its over and all people will remember is the bullshit the media spread about him and covid

Quote (kenw @ 20 Dec 2020 04:46)

Aside from Florida and maybe Nevada, he didn't really make any significant progress with Latinos. Yes, the socialist fear mongering campaign did work well on Cubans and Venezuelans but we both know Biden isnt AOC. And yes, supporting conspiracies instead of listening to the SC, republican judges, Barr, etc is in fact crazy. Some people like darkhead are literally in conspiratorial limbo. They do not make an iota of sense and predicate everything on assumptons. If you debate them, you cannot win an argument because people like him will just revert to " this guy is corrupted" or "something something fake news." How are CNN or MSNBC more fake news than some fringe right leaning TMZ platform like OAN. This is an election thread and darkhead randomly digresses to race talk - at least now I understand where some of his frustration stems. <_<

Self worth is all relative. I'm sure gaining a cult following that idolizes him is more significant to him than money, but of course, you'll call the draft dodger an altruistic patriot :rolleyes:

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 20 2020 08:02am)

Last I checked, some 35% of the national Latino vote went Trump. That's a HUGE portion, when compared to other Republican candidates (both winners and losers). And it was only what... 29% in the 2016 election, or thereabouts?

And the Supreme Court has said what, exactly? You'll need to go ahead and directly quote which case you're referring to. Nearly everything I've seen involves cases not being heard. Dismissed on standing, injury, timeliness, etc. etc. All process dismissals. Literally no "day in court" provided, no evidence presented. That's not conspiracy, it simply is what is. You can support these decisions not to hear cases, you can not support these decisions, but at least call them for what they are.

I'm more interested in the idea that you believe some 75 million Americans are part of a "cult" for voting for who they believe the better candidate is. Why you'd classify 75 million people as rednecks and racists without any evidence whatsoever simply because you disagree on a candidate. At the very least, I respect that the majority of Trump voters were voting FOR Trump. I don't know a single Biden voter who voted FOR Biden. Every last one (that I personally know) voted AGAINST Trump. I know what the Trump voters stand for. I only know what the Biden voters stand AGAINST. That should be a very concerning prospect.

Quote (kenw @ 20 Dec 2020 05:48)

Cases are being dismissed because the evidence is hearsay or circumstancial at best . You want to people to entertain the concept of widespread fraud despite the fact that you don't even know who the culprit is. The fact that the cases are in states that Trump lost makes him even more comical - it just screams sore loser syndrome .

MAGA is akin to a cult due to fact that you can't just let it go. Hilary quit the next day despite winning the popular vote and suspicions of Russian influence. Trump says there's widespread fraud and the boomers immediately believe him. They literally orchestrated the 1 milion MAGA cope march and stop the steal cope rallies across the nation . Proud boys are ready to fight if Trump gives the go ahead. It's essentially a mutually beneficial echo chamber between Trump and his followers because they refuse to grieve.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 20 2020 05:58am)

Read to understand, not to respond. The cases were not dismissed based on evidence. Standing determines whether you have a right to bring a case at all. Same with Injury. Meaning, all dismissals due to standing, lack of injury (texas case), etc. were dismissed prior to any evidence being presented. It's not the evidence or lack thereof that's in question. It's whether you have a right to bring a case. And thus far, nearly all cases have been shot down WITHOUT evidence being presented.

Read that statement. Read it again. Then read it a third time. Then read it yet again. Stop rage responding to try to make your case. Instead understand that I don't care who sits in the White House come January 20th. What I DO care about is when you won't even allow the evidence to be presented, there are 75 million Trump voters who're likely to become enraged. This should concern you. IF as you say the evidence was flimsy, then by all means, encourage the case to be heard, and televise that shit. EMBARASS the RNC, Trump campaign, Texas, and every independent legal team that has brought cases.

The problem that exists right now is that the courts have crossed their arms, plugged their ears, and refused to even allow the cases their day to make their case. There's no refutation of evidence. Merely refutation of the cases as a whole, prior to ANY evidence being presented.

Go. Facts. Verify them.

Quote (theCrossbones @ 20 Dec 2020 06:04)

I don't think the SCOTUS can do that.. That is giving some validity to the idea of TX having some sort of view, rights, and opinions of the voting laws of "insert state" PA.. etc..(or damage?) If they put that as precedent, it will never end. Insert WA suing Alabama on and on.
If there is actual way to get the evidence examined this isn't it. And I don't think anyone really wants to debate what is floating around as "evidence".

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Dec 20 2020 06:16am)

Texas' standing in the Senate is damaged by a hostile VP if the VP only gains office via a fraudulent or "fixed" vote. The standing (in this case injury suffered) of Texas is clear. There's direct impact on the state's ability to represent itself in the Federal Government. The burden of proof is incredibly high, and while I've seen plenty of evidence of fraud, I don't know that I have seen anything that would sway things in their favor. I believe if the case went to court, Texas would lose. But by denying them standing due to "lack of injury" you've simply said, "Your dispute with another state either requires war, or you to shut the fuck up." That's not how interstate relations is supposed to work. Interstate mediation is a primary duty of the SCOTUS.