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Aug 5 2021 07:46pm
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 5 2021 05:22pm)
The governor passed a law prohibiting private businesses(including cruise lines full of old people) from protecting their customers by requiring vaccinations. He did so because engaging in the COVID culture wars is a nice way to appeal to the right-wing rubes. I wouldn't go so far as to say DeSantis is an evil man, but let's not count him out yet, he's showing the potential to get there.


Personally, I would rather have businesses manage their own affairs, so as policy I think it's rather dumb. But at the end of the day, people have to make their own decisions. If a vaccinated person is not comfortable going on a cruise knowing that other, non-vaccinated individuals may also be on it, then they can and should stay home. That's an inconvenience, but so are lockdowns and vaccine passports. I don't think you can ascribe moral culpability to the governor for his position on way or the other, unless you take the view that bad policy itself is immoral.

If we do want to go down the route of mandatory vaccinations, then I would like to see the government extend limited liability for side effects. When I got vaccinated, I had to sign a long letter acknowledging that I was taking an experimental product, one which may or may not be effective, and which had documented instances of side effects. It might just be legal language at the end of the day, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was throwing a lot of people off. And because the government acknowledges that taking the vaccine is in the public good, and that side effects are extremely rare, they should really have no issue accepting responsibility for the result.

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Personally, I would rather have businesses manage their own affairs, so as policy I think it's rather dumb. But at the end of the day, people have to make their own decisions. If a vaccinated person is not comfortable going on a cruise knowing that other, non-vaccinated individuals may also be on it, then they can and should stay home. That's an inconvenience, but so are lockdowns and vaccine passports. I don't think you can ascribe moral culpability to the governor for his position on way or the other, unless you take the view that bad policy itself is immoral.

If we do want to go down the route of mandatory vaccinations, then I would like to see the government extend limited liability for side effects. When I got vaccinated, I had to sign a long letter acknowledging that I was taking an experimental product, one which may or may not be effective, and which had documented instances of side effects. It might just be legal language at the end of the day, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was throwing a lot of people off. And because the government acknowledges that taking the vaccine is in the public good, and that side effects are extremely rare, they should really have no issue accepting responsibility for the result.

harris/biden cant even get their own staff or political party govt figures fully vaccinated. hell the entire Democratic state party in Texas held a super-spreader event on their own private plane. per this nonsense rhetoric wielded by noted racist and anti-American icepeon, they are all evil.

they can mandate themselves before they put that on the public. Oh wait that’s right, government employees are exempt from the individual mandate that the rest are subject to, and this is completely 100% Constitutional per Roberts. -_- :rofl:
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Aug 5 2021 11:58pm
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/05/buttigieg-not-sure-why-musks-tesla-snubbed-from-biden-clean-car-event.html

>we dont know why the most innovative and successful clean energy car company of all the times isn’t invited to our taxpayer-funded party during a resurgence in the pandemic under our watch. mission accomplished tho

-harris/biden admin, as told by pete buttigieg

https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1423156475799683075
Musk says he doesn’t know why either

plenty of Jeep executives will be in attendance, and bailed out restructured GM too, thats for sure
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Aug 6 2021 02:50am
Very good US Prez Biden decisions with Taiwan: arms sale and temporary asylum.
Blowing up selfish pseudo memes posters ^_^
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Aug 6 2021 03:33am
Quote (bogie160 @ Aug 6 2021 03:46am)
Personally, I would rather have businesses manage their own affairs, so as policy I think it's rather dumb. But at the end of the day, people have to make their own decisions. If a vaccinated person is not comfortable going on a cruise knowing that other, non-vaccinated individuals may also be on it, then they can and should stay home. That's an inconvenience, but so are lockdowns and vaccine passports. I don't think you can ascribe moral culpability to the governor for his position on way or the other, unless you take the view that bad policy itself is immoral.

If we do want to go down the route of mandatory vaccinations, then I would like to see the government extend limited liability for side effects. When I got vaccinated, I had to sign a long letter acknowledging that I was taking an experimental product, one which may or may not be effective, and which had documented instances of side effects. It might just be legal language at the end of the day, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was throwing a lot of people off. And because the government acknowledges that taking the vaccine is in the public good, and that side effects are extremely rare, they should really have no issue accepting responsibility for the result.


we know by now that these vaccines do not prevent the spread so the "gotta protect my customers" argument is out of the window anyway

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Aug 6 2021 04:19am
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 6 Aug 2021 11:33)
we know by now that these vaccines do not prevent the spread so the "gotta protect my customers" argument is out of the window anyway


I think the key concern with regard to cruise ships is that positive cases on board would force the entire ship, including its vaccinated passengers, to get quarantined. The cruise lines want to minimize the risk of their business getting disrupted by requiring their passengers to be vaccinated, but it's an inherently risky business during a pandemic, any positive test in a vaccinated guest would also trigger a quarantine, so it's not like it makes a huge difference. Any customer going on board of such a ship knows what he's getting into.

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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Aug 6 2021 05:33am)
we know by now that these vaccines do not prevent the spread so the "gotta protect my customers" argument is out of the window anyway


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Aug 6 2021 08:12am
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 6 2021 09:06am)
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Cant fix stupid.

that dunce is the same kind of person who gets covid, goes on a ventilator, barely makes it, then his take away is "see its not deadly for young people, and hospitals arent overflowing like CNN said".
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Aug 6 2021 08:36am
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 6 2021 04:06pm)
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its a fact, even the cdc and cnn covid karens admitted as much just recently

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Cant fix stupid.

that dunce is the same kind of person who gets covid, goes on a ventilator, barely makes it, then his take away is "see its not deadly for young people, and hospitals arent overflowing like CNN said".


i had covid last year, only know about it, because they did random antibody tests on people who donated blood

but nice try buddy
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Aug 6 2021 08:39am
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Aug 6 2021 09:36am)
its a fact, even the cdc and cnn covid karens admitted as much just recently



i had covid last year, only know about it, because they did random antibody tests on people who donated blood

but nice try buddy


great reading comprehension. i said "same kind of person" not "same person"

it's a shame that infertility isn't a side effect of asymptomatic covid.
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