why, i dont praise you guys often and when i do, its for a good reason

if things continue like this millions of people will thank you guys later this year and early next year for making sure they got electricity

60% of the UK's CO2 is produced by one company from two plants in the UK. They shut down manufacturing due to rising gas prices which has affected everyone. How is that related to Brexit?

Our issues around Brexit are with the exporting of goods, not imports

how on earth were idiots convinced that leaving a trade collective would make costs better?

i get the hardliners who were willing to take one on the nose due to immigration and imbalanced pay into the EU, but to actually be convinced it would improve economics?

oh wait, that's trump voters who thought rejecting globalism would cause a boom of economics in the US when "jobs flood back", lol.

of course the moronic EU fanatics would jump on this as if their useless bureaucrats have something to do with the current global energy and supply chain crisis

not to mention that the reported meat shortage has nothing to do with brexit

even china had to reduce energy output due to record prices

however you guys also fucked up, failed to figure out the workforce problem and the stupid obession with wind power is now biting you in the ass



some short term problems were to be expected, everyone who thought otherwise is an idiot, but in general its rather unfortunate that the brexit fallout and the two problems i mentioned above all happen at the same time

Do you know the numbers for the "imbalanced pay to the EU?" because I thought they got more money back than they put in.

Also I thought the UK has always been exempt from immigration quotas ever since their joining of the EU, because that was basically one of their conditions.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Sep 28 2021 02:21pm

Typical response that - ignore the question and post a load of random shit

Before Brexit, they used to be the second largest net contributor to the EU budget behind Germany for many years. Moreover, the British stance on fiscal policy was wildly at odds with the push of the 'southern bloc' around France and Italy to move the EU toward a transfer and debt union.

Another key factor of Brexit was sovereignty. The EU courts issued several rulings which didn't go over well at all in Britain. Generally speaking, the Eurocrats in Brussels are constantly trying to eat away at national sovereignty and transfer more and more power toward the EU. Many europhile politicians and countries are explicitly endorsing the vision of a "United States of Europe" as the endgame of the EU while that's a horror vision for the independent-minded and headstrong Brits. European courts having (or claiming to have) precedence over British courts was a huge talking point for the Leave campaign.



Afaik that's not the case.

The two waves of the EU eastern expansion (in 2004 and 2007) contained provisions which allowed the old member states to delay and limit the freedom of movement for the Polish, Romanian etc. workers for up to 7 years since many of them feared being overrun by cheap Eastern European workers. The Labour-led, very globalist and neoliberal UK government under Tony Blair opted not to use these clauses and fully open its economy for these people right away, which led to a huge influx of Poles in particular. This surge of - mostly cheap, non-college - workers from Eastern Europe triggered or exacerbated anti-immigration and anti-EU sentiments in the UK, which led to the rise of UKIP and, ultimately, to Brexit.

Another factor is the historical context: just 9 months prior to the Brexit referendum, Merkel had unilaterally triggered a tsunami of uncontrolled immigration of Arabs, and later Africans, into Europe by publicly declaring that Germany would take in asylum seekers "with no upper limit". In the following months, between Merkel's opening of the borders and the Brexit referendum, she - as well as pro-migration forces within the EU institutions - tried to blackmail the other EU members, and the migration-sceptic Eastern Europeans in particular, into taking in quotas of these asylum seekers that she/they had let in. This was of course fuel to the fear inside the UK that the EU would eventually seek to undermine British sovereignty and even tell them which people to accept as their new neighbors and fellow countrymen. It was the perfect storm that reinforced all pre-existing anti-migration, anti-German and anti-EU resentment and, essentially, was the spark that got Brexit over the finish line. Without Merkel's antics, the referendum probably flips and ends up 52/48 or so in favor of Remain.



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Regarding the impact of Brexit, the picture is really murky. Since the impact of Brexit and the covid crisis (as well as the lingering supply chain and energy price issues triggered by the covid lockdowns) coincide, the British government and the Leavers can blame all the hiccups on that while the opposition and the Remainers can blame everything on Brexit. Imho, it will take time for the dust to settle. We need to wait for 1-2 more years before we can really disentangle these effects and tell which developments are permanent/temporary or caused by Brexit/global factors.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Sep 29 2021 05:01pm

nobody has caused more harm to europe since 1945 than merkel

name one bad event in the last 16+ years where she was not involved, you cant

This post was edited by JohnnyMcCoy on Sep 29 2021 08:01pm

wait, so you're trying to tell me the chancellor of the largest economy and politically most influential country in europe pretty much was involved in every major decision (good or bad) during her term? that's a truly shocking observation, very astute of you, who would have thought?! do you have more of those brilliant takes you could enlighten us with? mindblowing stuff really...

btw, poland, the largest sinkhole for EU funding, and greece both joined before merkel took office. she has also been an early and vocal opponent of turkey joining the union. and this is coming from someone who never voted for her and disagrees with many of her stances, including her handling of the refugee crisis (her personal impact on which is well overstated by right wing bigots btw, as many studies have proven).