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Nov 14 2023 08:20pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 15 2023 02:15am)
North Korea is a democracy. You disagree? Come on man, it's right there in their official name: "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".


Democracy = Socialism = Communism

Democracy is Mob Rule,
He who has the biggest Mob Rules.

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Quote (Mondain @ 15 Nov 2023 03:20)
Democracy = Socialism = Communism

Democracy is Mob Rule,
He who has the biggest Mob Rules.


You seem very confused...
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Quote (Mondain @ Nov 14 2023 06:20pm)
Democracy = Socialism = Communism

Democracy is Mob Rule,
He who has the biggest Mob Rules.


Democracy = Socialism = Communism = Anarchism = Fascism = Totalitarianism = Monarchism = Conservatism = Liberalism = Democracy = Socialism = Communism = Anarchism = Fascism = Totalitarianism = Monarchism = Conservatism = Liberalism = Democracy = Socialism = Communism = Anarchism = Fascism = Totalitarianism = Monarchism = Conservatism = Liberalism =
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 15 2023 02:24am)
You seem very confused...


my eyes are open and i've seen the light.

Quote (gnarjay @ Nov 15 2023 02:28am)
Democracy = Socialism = Communism = Anarchism = Fascism = Totalitarianism = Monarchism = Conservatism = Liberalism = Democracy = Socialism = Communism = Anarchism = Fascism = Totalitarianism = Monarchism = Conservatism = Liberalism = Democracy = Socialism = Communism = Anarchism = Fascism = Totalitarianism = Monarchism = Conservatism = Liberalism =

Your 4chan taunts don't phase me.

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Nov 14 2023 09:01pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 14 2023 06:15pm)
North Korea is a democracy. You disagree? Come on man, it's right there in their official name: "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".


The Nazi party was initially very socialist, and became less socialist after the Rohm putsch/purge. They remained socialist with the ideology of collectivism as opposed to individualism. That's what fascism is - a collectivist ideology (the group is stronger than the individual, symbolized by the bundle of sticks wrapped together around an axe) Rohmites themselves were very much overt socialists

Remember during those times almost everyone was a socialist and antisemitic. They disagreed over which socialist direction to take - communism or fascism, both socialist ideologies.

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The Nazi party was initially very socialist, and became less socialist after the Rohm putsch/purge. They remained socialist with the ideology of collectivism as opposed to individualism. That's what fascism is - a collectivist ideology (the group is stronger than the individual, symbolized by the bundle of sticks wrapped together around an axe) Rohmites themselves were very much overt socialists

Remember during those times almost everyone was a socialist and antisemitic. They disagreed over which socialist direction to take - communism or fascism, both socialist ideologies.


Hitler was never a committed socialist, he only used "socialist" as a flavor of the month buzzword to appeal to working-class, anticapitalist and anti-republican voters. The nazi party was a fascist movement, which by the way is not the same as socialism. They were very collectivist and totalitarian, but more in the "blood and soil" fashion than in the "nationalize the means of production" sense. The core concept around which the nazi ideology revolved was race, not class like in actual socialism. Röhm, Strasser and their faction, the left wing of the nazi party if you will, never held a ton of power and never set the ideological tone for the movement. They had already lost most of their clout before Hitler even came to power in 1933.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 15 Nov 2023 05:15)
North Korea is a democracy. You disagree? Come on man, it's right there in their official name: "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".


Bravo :rofl:
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Both articles linked above are from after the bombing of Gaza, not before. I am therefore not sure what you mean about "even before the bombing" noting various politicians around the world have historically referred to Gaza as the largest open air prison in the world. I am therefore bemused by the notion of relocating Palestinians from Gaza historically when there was no evidence to support this as an option (and regardless this would only be delaying the long term issue of an ever increasing Palestinian population).

I accept the expression "from river to the sea" irks people, so I will refrain from using it in future, but the double standards is mental gymnastics - noting Israeli leaders have, as I recall, used similar language. I am happy to be refuted on this point, noting I can dig up the quotes again if needed to support the point. Its similar to the Nazi comments, Israel has a charter on antisemitism that records referencing WW2 and Nazi's as antisemitic but then has the audacity to call Palestinians Nazi's. This double standards really really grates.

The notion of Israel telling other countries to consider taking in Palestinians, raises a fundamental question - are Palestinians Israeli or not. If they are not Israeli, where is there country ? Happy to debate this point as needed, but to my mind if there is an internal insurrection (say, like in Ukraine vs Eastern Ukraine) the obvious solution would be for a reconciliation, not to export them to another country. Eastern Ukrainians (while accepting they are not angels) fleeing to Russia merely highlights the transgressions of the Kyiv Government. Similarly, Palestinians fleeing Gaza merely highlights the transgressions of the Israeli Government. Again, happy to debate this with you Snipa.

I am not sure if you have read my broader view of the region, i.e. that Israel has long term problems with a much lower birth rate then Palestinians, which will result in the same problems all over again in Gaza and the West Bank in a decade or two due to the ever multiplying Palestinian population. Therefore Israel needs to come up with a serious long term plan, and to my mind, the two-state solution (with "Palestine" having boarders with more then 1 country, Israel, and access to the sea) is the only viable long term solution, noting otherwise Israel will within a decade or two have more non jewish residents then jewish, and that will cause serious problems.


"The notion of Israel telling other countries to consider taking in Palestinians, raises a fundamental question - are Palestinians Israeli or not. If they are not Israeli, where is there country ?"

Eh?
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Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Nov 15 2023 09:46am)
"The notion of Israel telling other countries to consider taking in Palestinians, raises a fundamental question - are Palestinians Israeli or not. If they are not Israeli, where is there country ?"

Eh?


It is palestine, not israel. Seems youre confused. Israel doesnt exist.
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