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Aug 4 2021 07:55pm
Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ Aug 4 2021 09:52pm)
I mean i am surprised you guys let such old people dictate what y'all can or can't do. I'm surprised none of you revolt .


would LOVE to its ok to change kids genders at 4. would love to put a double barrel to their forhead an pull both triggers
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Quote (thundercock @ Aug 4 2021 07:22pm)
The trillion dollar infrastructure bill is mostly paid for I think so it really shouldn't cause inflation. Manchin and Sinema have said that they won't vote for the reconciliation bill if it's primarily funded by debt. I also think that most red states won't actually implement some of the programs suggested (i.e. universal pre-K, universal community college) so that would also save money. At the end of the day though, if the 2019 outlays were 4.4 trillion, then a 10% increase over 10 years is pretty manageable.

EDIT: Here is the question regarding the commission: "Do you support or oppose the Congressional investigation of the storming of the U.S. Capitol on January 6th?"
I have to imagine that plenty of people polled are simply unaware of the makeup of the commission. If they ARE aware and still support it, it's pretty much game over for Republicans on this issue.


Yea, if it's actually paid for. These bills often expect revenue that doesn't come, but you can be sure that the bill will come through regardless.

I was talking about the $3.5 trillion dollar bill. If it goes through, however popular it is, I don't expect it will be a net positive result for his legacy. The government has been dumping money into the economy for years, but it was fine so long as it was mainly concentrated in an asset bubble that made those of us with assets rich. The more it hits the day to day, the larger the impact on prices there'll be. The treasury market is already looking pretty grim. If growth falters, and inflation sets in, I would expect voters to punish Democrats at the ballot box. After all, however lucky Trump might have been with the economy, voters will remember "Good times good, bad times bad", and Biden is holding the bag on the bad times.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/03/poll-shows-support-slipping-for-biden-jan-6th-probe/

I'm not sure what the date on your poll was, but the Harvard Harris poll is what I was referencing.

It looks like ~50% of people are paying attention to the proceedings, so what that means for Independents, who are the only group that really matters, I don't know.
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Aug 4 2021 08:22pm
harris/biden admin propaganda mouthpiece psaki again blamed Trump for the current border crisis with waves of migrants pouring in

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9670815/Harris-Biden-blasted-Guatemalas-president-sending-mixed-messages-migrants.html
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-guatemala-corruption-usa/guatemalas-perez-says-biden-forced-him-to-accept-anti-corruption-purge-idUSKCN0SJ0W720151025
https://nypost.com/2021/03/24/mexican-president-obrador-blames-migrant-crisis-on-biden/

odd messaging, given that the Mexican and Guatemalan governments both explicitly stated that the harris/biden administration undoing the Trump administration's border policy was to blame for the migrant surge at the US border
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Quote (SunnyvaleTrailerPark @ Aug 4 2021 09:52pm)
I mean i am surprised you guys let such old people dictate what y'all can or can't do. I'm surprised none of you revolt . Is the idea too scary compared to video games? Is it what it is with anyone under 30 or?


What else are you going to do?
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It's indeed an excellent piece. A bit one-sided at times, but very sharp and insightful.

A couple of months ago, I had already read the Elmers essay published by Claremont that the article is talking about ( https://americanmind.org/salvo/why-the-claremont-institute-is-not-conservative-and-you-shouldnt-be-either/ ) and was shocked by how dark and radical it was. That one was an ill-concealed call for a coup. It really soured me on Claremont in general.





In particular, I just don't get the doom and gloom sentiment on the American right that your article investigates.
I mean, we only need to take a sober look at the 2020 election:

Republicans were headed into battle by a historically polarizing, unpopular and inept standard bearer who committed unforced error after unforced error and had no fortune whatsoever throughout the year before the election; had to run against the backdrop of extremely disadvantageous external factors; against an opponent who had nominated his strongest possible candidate as his figurehead; outraised them by lopsided margins and was backed by the country's intellectual, cultural, bureaucratic and media elites to an unprecedented degree.

The bottom line was that the GOP, in spite of all of this, still achieved the necessary result to hold the Senate*, came within 0.63% of holding the WH and within 2.2% of winning a trifecta of their own. And they made significant (albeit overstated) inroads with voters of color, indicating that demographics need not be destiny after all.

The lesson from 2020 for the GOP imho is that they can absolutely still win elections without compromising on their conservative agenda as long as they nominate a candidate who doesn't trip over his own feet all the time. They just need to finally get their act together.
It's still time to reconsider the idea with the coup when it's 2036 and president Crenshaw was just ousted from office by senator AOC in spite of a roaring economy and winning white voters by 30 percentage points. :rolleyes:

*that Trump's selfish post-election antics threw the Senate is a different story


In conversations with conservatives I know, I've made the point for years that there's not really any happy warriors on the right. I suppose Tim Scott comes closest, but he couldn't come top 3 in a Republican primary, I don't believe. The base doesn't want to be inspired and lifted up... they want their resentment, anger, and victimhood tweaked.

You make a fair point about the electoral results and how the right should be grateful they did that well in 2020... although I'm really not sure how well they can do with Trump off the ticket. Does the removal of Trump's stench bring back enough suburban voters to make up for the diehard Trumpists that would stay home if he wasn't on the ballot? I'm skeptical of that.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 5 2021 02:20am)
It's indeed an excellent piece. A bit one-sided at times, but very sharp and insightful.

A couple of months ago, I had already read the Elmers essay published by Claremont that the article is talking about ( https://americanmind.org/salvo/why-the-claremont-institute-is-not-conservative-and-you-shouldnt-be-either/ ) and was shocked by how dark and radical it was. That one was an ill-concealed call for a coup. It really soured me on Claremont in general.





In particular, I just don't get the doom and gloom sentiment on the American right that your article investigates.
I mean, we only need to take a sober look at the 2020 election:

Republicans were headed into battle by a historically polarizing, unpopular and inept standard bearer who committed unforced error after unforced error and had no fortune whatsoever throughout the year before the election; had to run against the backdrop of extremely disadvantageous external factors; against an opponent who had nominated his strongest possible candidate as his figurehead; outraised them by lopsided margins and was backed by the country's intellectual, cultural, bureaucratic and media elites to an unprecedented degree.

The bottom line was that the GOP, in spite of all of this, still achieved the necessary result to hold the Senate*, came within 0.63% of holding the WH and within 2.2% of winning a trifecta of their own. And they made significant (albeit overstated) inroads with voters of color, indicating that demographics need not be destiny after all.

The lesson from 2020 for the GOP imho is that they can absolutely still win elections without compromising on their conservative agenda as long as they nominate a candidate who doesn't trip over his own feet all the time. They just need to finally get their act together.
It's still time to reconsider the idea with the coup when it's 2036 and president Crenshaw was just ousted from office by senator AOC in spite of a roaring economy and winning white voters by 30 percentage points. :rolleyes:






*that Trump's selfish post-election antics threw the Senate is a different story


the democrats know this too, thats why they flood the country with migrants like never before to vote for kamala as soon as possible

republicans need an election win very soon or its game over
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Quote (IceMage @ 5 Aug 2021 12:11)
In conversations with conservatives I know, I've made the point for years that there's not really any happy warriors on the right. I suppose Tim Scott comes closest, but he couldn't come top 3 in a Republican primary, I don't believe. The base doesn't want to be inspired and lifted up... they want their resentment, anger, and victimhood tweaked.

You make a fair point about the electoral results and how the right should be grateful they did that well in 2020... although I'm really not sure how well they can do with Trump off the ticket. Does the removal of Trump's stench bring back enough suburban voters to make up for the diehard Trumpists that would stay home if he wasn't on the ballot? I'm skeptical of that.


Well, it surely won't work to go back to candidates like Romney or McCain - boring, polite career pols with a plutocratic habitus who care more about decorum than winning elections. Going back to the instability and executive incompetence of Trump or similar candidates is not a winning formula either. So what the GOP needs, imho, is a candidate who's able to play to the trumpy base without being outright insane and unhinged, and who has enough self-control to stick to a message/script. Someone like DeSantis.

I guess we've, once more, arrived at our fundamental disagreement about Trump: you believe that a cult of personality around Trump, the individual, is the essence of Trumpism. I believe that Trump's base loves him predominantly because he mirrors and gives voice to their grievances and desire to push back against the liberal consensus of the country's elites and institutions, as well as the change in attitude and focus of the GOP that he symbolizes.

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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 5 Aug 2021 12:29)
the democrats know this too, thats why they flood the country with migrants like never before to vote for kamala as soon as possible

republicans need an election win very soon or its game over


In particular, they need to get back in control in Washington while they still have a strong footing in the federal courts so that they can finally achieve some lasting substantive victories for their side. That would go a long way toward lifting morale on the right.
Trump and the Federalist Society did excellent groundwork in this regard, I doubt that Biden will come anywhere close to nominating a similar number of federal judges during his first term. If he, or Kamala, get a second term, that's an entirely different story though.

The GOP really needs to win 2024. Fortunately for them, Biden looks a lot more beatable than he did a couple of months ago, things are imho not going well for him at all in recent weeks.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 5 2021 12:38pm)
In particular, they need to get back in control in Washington while they still have a strong footing in the federal courts so that they can finally achieve some lasting substantive victories for their side. That would go a long way toward lifting morale on the right.
Trump and the Federalist Society did excellent groundwork in this regard, I doubt that Biden will come anywhere close to nominating a similar number of federal judges during his first term. If he, or Kamala, get a second term, that's an entirely different story though.

The GOP really needs to win 2024. Fortunately for them, Biden looks a lot more beatable than he did a couple of months ago, things are imho not going well for him at all in recent weeks.


no way biden runs in 2024

i have said it before he was elected, he wont even finish this term
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Aug 5 2021 05:43am
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 5 Aug 2021 12:47)
no way biden runs in 2024

i have said it before he was elected, he wont even finish this term


the thing is that Kamala was intended to be his heiress apparent, but she's obviously a horrid candidate and everyone can see it. I guess that's what you get when you select your candidates based on intersectionality points rather than caniddate skills. :lol:
so I could imagine Biden running again in 2024 because he might well be the best bet for Democrats. if that happens and he wins reelection, I'm with you that he definitely wont finish his 2nd term.


it could of course happen a lot earlier, for example if Biden is forced to resign due to health issues or if the 2022 midterms are a rout and the Dems need to pivot.... but I still consider it more likely than not that he finishes his current term.

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