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Aug 4 2021 04:57pm
Quote (thundercock @ Aug 4 2021 05:46pm)
Some interesting data:
https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3814

  • Biden is now +13 on his COVID response when it was +35 in May
  • On the economy, Biden is -5 when he was +5 before. Inflation concerns and higher than expected unemployment are likely the cause here.
  • Foreign policy is -2 when he was -5 before.
  • Overall, Biden is down to +3 when he was at +8 before


It seems that the spending bills are incredibly popular and getting those passed are absolutely necessary in order to prevent a midterm blood bath.
Infrastructure is +37 overall (+89 Dem, +35 Independent, -13 Republican)
The 3.5 trillion social spending bill is +30 overall.

The Jan 6 commission is +31 overall (+83 Dem, +34 Independent, -34 Republican). It seems to me that the GOP needs to do a better job at painting it partisan.


That's interesting, because a recent poll showed that a majority thinks the commission is partisan. I'm not sure about the wording, but if both are true it's not great for the Republican position.

The problem with passing trillion dollar spending bills is that it will spur on inflation. If Biden indulges, he will get the benefit of the doubt in the short-term, but if the economy falters and stagflation sets in, he will bear the brunt of the blame.
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Aug 4 2021 05:21pm
Quote (IceMage @ Aug 4 2021 03:54pm)
https://www.vox.com/22600500/olympics-conservatives-simone-biles-anti-american

This piece is excellent... it touches on so many things that are wrong with the right-wing in America.


i rather thought this was special all this time fraud lefties smushing peoples faces into masks
Biden’s top COVID advisor just admitted the masks people are wearing don’t work
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Whr2rZHUkdCf/

some dork on the leftie side figures out the obvious
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Aug 4 2021 05:22pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Aug 4 2021 03:57pm)
That's interesting, because a recent poll showed that a majority thinks the commission is partisan. I'm not sure about the wording, but if both are true it's not great for the Republican position.

The problem with passing trillion dollar spending bills is that it will spur on inflation. If Biden indulges, he will get the benefit of the doubt in the short-term, but if the economy falters and stagflation sets in, he will bear the brunt of the blame.


The trillion dollar infrastructure bill is mostly paid for I think so it really shouldn't cause inflation. Manchin and Sinema have said that they won't vote for the reconciliation bill if it's primarily funded by debt. I also think that most red states won't actually implement some of the programs suggested (i.e. universal pre-K, universal community college) so that would also save money. At the end of the day though, if the 2019 outlays were 4.4 trillion, then a 10% increase over 10 years is pretty manageable.

EDIT: Here is the question regarding the commission: "Do you support or oppose the Congressional investigation of the storming of the U.S. Capitol on January 6th?"
I have to imagine that plenty of people polled are simply unaware of the makeup of the commission. If they ARE aware and still support it, it's pretty much game over for Republicans on this issue.

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Aug 4 2021 05:53pm
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The trillion dollar infrastructure bill is mostly paid for I think so it really shouldn't cause inflation. Manchin and Sinema have said that they won't vote for the reconciliation bill if it's primarily funded by debt. I also think that most red states won't actually implement some of the programs suggested (i.e. universal pre-K, universal community college) so that would also save money. At the end of the day though, if the 2019 outlays were 4.4 trillion, then a 10% increase over 10 years is pretty manageable.

EDIT: Here is the question regarding the commission: "Do you support or oppose the Congressional investigation of the storming of the U.S. Capitol on January 6th?"
I have to imagine that plenty of people polled are simply unaware of the makeup of the commission. If they ARE aware and still support it, it's pretty much game over for Republicans on this issue.

The trillion dollar infrastructure bill is good politics because it contains not too much pork and invests in a worthwhile cause. If that one doesn't pass with bipartisan support, nothing can.

I think the Jan 6 commission is the prototype of an issue that just plays a far greater role in the minds of journalists and beltway insiders than average Americans. It would really surprise me if the politically apathetic masses paid attention to this commission or its (not so bi-)partisan composition.



Quote (thundercock @ 4 Aug 2021 23:46)
Some interesting data:
https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3814

  • Biden is now +13 on his COVID response when it was +35 in May
  • On the economy, Biden is -5 when he was +5 before. Inflation concerns and higher than expected unemployment are likely the cause here.
  • Foreign policy is -2 when he was -5 before.
  • Overall, Biden is down to +3 when he was at +8 before


It seems that the spending bills are incredibly popular and getting those passed are absolutely necessary in order to prevent a midterm blood bath.
Infrastructure is +37 overall (+89 Dem, +35 Independent, -13 Republican)
The 3.5 trillion social spending bill is +30 overall.

The Jan 6 commission is +31 overall (+83 Dem, +34 Independent, -34 Republican). It seems to me that the GOP needs to do a better job at painting it partisan.

Personally, I'm always very cautious and sceptical when it comes to early polling on huge spending bills. "Spend huge money on good cause X" always sounds nice when you first hear it, but typically, the more people learn about the details of where the spending would go and who would have to pay for it, the more public opinion splits along partisan lines.
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Aug 4 2021 05:56pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 4 2021 04:53pm)
The trillion dollar infrastructure bill is good politics because it contains not too much pork and invests in a worthwhile cause. If that one doesn't pass with bipartisan support, nothing can.

I think the Jan 6 commission is the prototype of an issue that just plays a far greater role in the minds of journalists and beltway insiders than average Americans. It would really surprise me if the politically apathetic masses paid attention to this commission or its (not so bi-)partisan composition.




Personally, I'm always very cautious and sceptical when it comes to early polling on huge spending bills. "Spend huge money on good cause X" always sounds nice when you first hear it, but typically, the more people learn about the details of where the spending would go and who would have to pay for it, the more public opinion splits along partisan lines.


fraud Jan 6 commission a reworking of fraud trump impeachment. how come the new fraud lefties are not concerned about the rash of cop suicide huh? cause lefties all fakaroossssssss

how come huh??? all the perarl clutching on jan6th but nothing now?

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Aug 4 2021 06:20pm
Quote (IceMage @ 5 Aug 2021 00:54)
https://www.vox.com/22600500/olympics-conservatives-simone-biles-anti-american

This piece is excellent... it touches on so many things that are wrong with the right-wing in America.


It's indeed an excellent piece. A bit one-sided at times, but very sharp and insightful.

A couple of months ago, I had already read the Elmers essay published by Claremont that the article is talking about ( https://americanmind.org/salvo/why-the-claremont-institute-is-not-conservative-and-you-shouldnt-be-either/ ) and was shocked by how dark and radical it was. That one was an ill-concealed call for a coup. It really soured me on Claremont in general.





In particular, I just don't get the doom and gloom sentiment on the American right that your article investigates.
I mean, we only need to take a sober look at the 2020 election:

Republicans were headed into battle by a historically polarizing, unpopular and inept standard bearer who committed unforced error after unforced error and had no fortune whatsoever throughout the year before the election; had to run against the backdrop of extremely disadvantageous external factors; against an opponent who had nominated his strongest possible candidate as his figurehead; outraised them by lopsided margins and was backed by the country's intellectual, cultural, bureaucratic and media elites to an unprecedented degree.

The bottom line was that the GOP, in spite of all of this, still achieved the necessary result to hold the Senate*, came within 0.63% of holding the WH and within 2.2% of winning a trifecta of their own. And they made significant (albeit overstated) inroads with voters of color, indicating that demographics need not be destiny after all.

The lesson from 2020 for the GOP imho is that they can absolutely still win elections without compromising on their conservative agenda as long as they nominate a candidate who doesn't trip over his own feet all the time. They just need to finally get their act together.
It's still time to reconsider the idea with the coup when it's 2036 and president Crenshaw was just ousted from office by senator AOC in spite of a roaring economy and winning white voters by 30 percentage points. :rolleyes:






*that Trump's selfish post-election antics threw the Senate is a different story

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Aug 4 2021 07:15pm
They are really trying to push Kamala in by 2022 like they intended to when they started to cheat the election.

What sucks for you guys is that the Dems been crying for years only to bring such a failure administration in office. Like why the fuck cheat an election only to do worst? ShockedPikachuFace

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Aug 4 2021 07:48pm
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They are really trying to push Kamala in by 2022 like they intended to when they started to cheat the election.

What sucks for you guys is that the Dems been crying for years only to bring such a failure administration in office. Like why the fuck cheat an election only to do worst? ShockedPikachuFace

https://i.imgur.com/Pyd9LEz.png


Kamala staffers are supposedly having a civil war with Biden staffers. Apparently Biden is much more moderate and Kamala is less popular, but who knows how long that will last.
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Aug 4 2021 07:52pm
I mean i am surprised you guys let such old people dictate what y'all can or can't do. I'm surprised none of you revolt . Is the idea too scary compared to video games? Is it what it is with anyone under 30 or?

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