Quote (thesnipa @ 9 Jan 2020 19:11)

Dont even know what this is in reference to tbh.



why are you using a tone that suggests we disagree? as i said, they are leftists, but their actions are business above party. I didnt offer my anecdote as "proof" of anything, i was just sharing a story from my life because it was tangentially related to our discussion.



how did i abandon anything? i said you're correct, just that it wasnt what I was getting at. yes, the media does support status quo candidates like HRC over Bernie. its odd you'd think i disagree with that given that i support Yang (which is what led to my anecdote irl), who's getting the 2016 bernie treatment by MSM.



there's a longstanding debate, in PARD especially, on the general credibility of journalism today. its a leftist overreaction to counter the right's "fake news" narrative, which is an overreaction to Trump. teeter totter. many posters act like the media is great, to counter the right's ideas that they're utter garbage. that's what i was referring to directly.



this just seems like another conversation where you misunderstood my point, likely because i didnt spell out 5 paragraphs of explanation in what was supposed to be a 1 sentence retort to Viv, and then when i explain that we in fact agree on almost all points you spend another few posts digging for disagreements. i find that odd, after-all im supposed to be the one coming after you relentlessly (see: your sig).

Quote (obisent @ Jan 9 2020 12:19pm)

Might be a disconnect between what Europeans consider left and what people in the states consider left. Iirc our last 2 left presidents is their center/center right.

Quote (fender @ Jan 9 2020 12:22pm)

jeopardy. alex trebek.

i think it's a bit more than a misunderstanding. you think msm are leftists - i don't agree.

Quote (thesnipa @ 9 Jan 2020 19:22)

ive had similar engagement with a lot of far left progressives. if you label something left of center as "leftist" they're quick to remind you that those people hate them, too. as if that has anything to do with their position with regards of center...

when i told one i was for medicare for some transitioning into medicare for all i was told "people are dying" and called "heartless". my wife is a 3-4 year old special ed teacher and we run a small operation that delivers fresh fruits and veggies to low income people for free. the hag shrieking at me works a 40 hour a week job for the state, does nothing for charity, and has a BF who's spent more time unemployed than in a job for the last 5 years. when he did work it was bouncing from fast food place to fast food place. was like, bruh. shut up.



i meant i didnt know what it was in reference to in my post. i know jeopardy.


wait so a high % voted for HRC, but aren't "leftists", because they didnt vote for bernie?

is that what a "leftist" is to you? only the most progressive of left wing voters?

if so that illustrates my point perfectly.

Quote (fender @ Jan 9 2020 12:57pm)

msm are mostly moderates. again, they are closer to moderate republicans than to warren or sanders for example.

extreme leftists - leftists - centrists / moderates - right - extreme right

Quote (fender @ Jan 9 2020 01:57pm)

msm are mostly moderates. again, they are closer to moderate republicans than to warren or sanders for example.

extreme leftists - leftists - centrists / moderates - right - extreme right

Quote (bogie160 @ 9 Jan 2020 20:04)

CNN is left on the American political spectrum. Antifa apologists, pro open borders, Obama/Clinton supporters. MSNBC even more so.

Warren is right up their alley. Comrade Bernie is on everyone's left.

Quote (fender @ Jan 9 2020 01:28pm)

they are hyper critical of warren, while giving joe 'i might pick a republican vice president' biden and pete 'wine cave' buttigieg incredibly favourable coverage. they love and platform the donor class and their puppets in washington, they support and profit from the corporate ownership of american politics. those are not a "leftist" stances. they supported obama's rather harsh immigration and deportation stances, so claiming they are principled 'open border' proponents is either ignorant, or outright dishonest...

Quote (thesnipa @ 9 Jan 2020 20:31)

Hyper critical? that seems a bit harsh. if they're "hyper critical" of Warren, what would you categorize them in regards of Trump? "uber critical" "hyperer critical"?

Quote (fender @ Jan 9 2020 01:36pm)

oh, they sure are hyper critical of his behaviour - but have you noticed how they never asked how he was going to pay for his 'best healthcare in the world' promise for example? different standards. they hate leftist policies.