Actually, I've read all of that, and am not convinced, everything you mention seems to be normal for a banker.

just reasonable leadership in textbook democracies:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20180226IPR98615/rule-of-law-in-poland-parliament-supports-eu-action
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20180410IPR01424/democracy-and-fundamental-rights-in-hungary-meps-assess-the-situation

They kick them out, cutting 100% of helps asap, and then get back UK (one of the brexit argument was about eastern europe citizen abusing the uk social system).

No way. Poland is an asset, with huge growth potential. Just like the rest of Eastern Europe. You can't pretend that their inclusion in the EU hasn't been incredibly profitable for many Western EU nations.

And to me the UK would only be able to return as a full member of the EU. No more allowing them to be the special kid in the class.

and an important buffer country on top of that.. They are wasting EU taxes though, on a massive scale

Let them. It's worth it for the rest of us. Meanwhile just use soft power to influence local politics to adhere to our values.

just to be clear, i'm not in favour of just kicking them out just because they are financial sinkholes for the EU.
what i'm saying is that the pea-brained idiots rooting for such 'strong leaders' completely neglect their anti-democratic and authoritarian tendencies when portraying them as 'reasonable'. it just illustrates their hyperfocus on a singular issue (immigration) if you're so willing to give up basic rights and western democratic values (while ironically claiming that's what they are trying to preserve)...

two more or less empty links from european parliament, that is butthurt about hungary and poland not accepting refugees
from an organisation that violates its own laws on a daily basis (lisbon treaty, maastricht treaty, schengen say hello)

but hey, lets insult the intelligence of other people for not agreeing, while providing not a single argument

when criticising the erosion of freedoms of opinion and assembly, a weakening of the constitution and the justice system, and a systematic attack on democracy, rule of law, and human rights is just being 'butthurt about not accepting refugees' you know you've completely lost it.

facts and democratic values don't mean anything to you when your hyperfocus on immigranion makes you abandon ANY reason and objectivity. it's really sad what some people are willing to give up based on irrational fearmongering and a simplistic us-against-them mentality...

but hey, the EU taking concrete steps based on established rules in its treaty (source provided) is 'not an argument', i guess the only valid 'arguments' are those made by the fearmongers on youtube and facebook...

This post was edited by fender on Apr 12 2018 08:32am

np i finish my post: then after few years and some drama their governement change and we take them back.
else yes, uk come back as full member (even with this they are anglo saxons, so it's a long term burden in anyway)

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Apr 12 2018 09:04am