IceMage has been actively rooting for Democrats for the past 8 years, so he can hardly be considered a life long Republican anymore. Particularly since the Democratic party has fucking ZOOMED to the left on a wide range of issues over this timespan. But you're right, he's not actually a liberal - just someone who would be willing to put up with vast amounts of liberal policy if only it helps him get rid of Trump.

The bodies responsible for holding a POTUS accountable are the Congress of the United States and federal law enforcement, not state courts or state assemblies. And Congress did hold him accountable: he was impeached over his attempts to overturn the 2020 election and a solid majority of Senators voted to convict him, even if they fell short of the necessary two-thirds majority. Tough luck that the Constitution sets the bar super high for a move which usually has the extremely drastic effect of removing a sitting president from office, or that the founding fathers didn't think of a scenario in which impeachment is used for political theater at a time when the accused president has already left office.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 31 2023 09:21pm

So you're in favor of both the mueller report and the current work being done by the DoJ then?

due process, no conviction.

sorry, it's not going to work.

slippery slope, strategy.

While it was in the process of being put together, the Mueller report had been weaponized as an albatross around Trump's neck, intended to undermine and stymie his presidency. But the actual report which came out in the end is fine by me.

The current prosecution of Trump by the DoJ hasn't successfully brought him to court yet (in the sense of achieving a conviction). Here again, my main gripe is not with the idea of prosecuting Trump, but rather with the way the process is deliberately executed such that it pays political dividends for Democrats, the party which currently controls the DoJ.


And just to be clear: my belief is that Democrats view Trump as a mortally flawed candidate who they can beat with relative ease in 2024, hence they are trying to goad the GOP base into choosing Trump as their standard bearer once again - because he is the candidate they actually WANT to run against.

Disgrace, “If Trump gets elected it’s going to be a threat to our democracy”. Trying to stop THE leading candidate of the opposition is literally what fascist/communists do. Beat the orange man at the polls not with bullshit “guilty before innocent”.

It's basically a RL version of that scene from Star Wars Episode III where Anakin and Windoo argue over what to do with Palpatine: "we have to betray our principles and take this guy out immediately, because he's just too dangerous to be kept alive on the ballot".

And like I've said: the strategists of the national party don't actually want Trump removed from the ballot and replaced by DeSantis or Haley. They want to run against a Trump who's already wounded and limping into the general election campaign. The overzealous local Democrats who are barring him from the ballot in their state are overplaying their hand and risk messing it all up. The DNC wants 51% of the GOP base to go "omg, Trump is being treated so unfair, we gotta circle the wagons around him and stick it to the Dems". What they don't want is for 90+% of the GOP base to feel this way, let alone risk that independents also start thinking that this is getting ridiculous.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 31 2023 10:31pm

I just want to see trump win so the left loses their mind.
kekw

destroy democracy to own the left in 2024, lets go !!

curious comment considering the Jung quote in your sig. what would he say about Trump??

This post was edited by gnarjay on Jan 1 2024 04:57pm

So it's apparent that conservatives on the supreme court are going to have to absolutely twist themselves in knots to come up with a consistent to way square this issue with the rights of states to administer their own elections, and all the case law and writings around the application of the 14th amendment.

It's possible they just ignore all of it and give a test for insurrection and say it has to be a criminal conviction, effectively erasing all the cases where the amendment was used automatically.

It's gonna be a fun read.