"flood"? it's a tv channel, not a media monopoly whose messaging you can't escape.
"propaganda"? can you specify how TVN fulfill any criteria of "propaganda", or are you just mindlessly repeating the talking points of poland's right wing government?

it's really interesting to see that you support the censorship of political reporting and commentary critical of a country's government though. you know why? because a 'media empire from overseas flooding the country with propaganda against a government' is a perfect description for rupert murdoch's media empire, spreading its cancerous bs all over the world. for some strange reason i have the feeling that you and your ilk would scream bloody murder if any left wing government tried to ban FOX news or the SUN for their political hit pieces, lies, and disinformation campaigns though. funny how that works...

this is just perfect, the people who always pretend to be proponents "free speech™" (only outspoken when it comes to defending bigoted and hate speech though, never when it comes to protecting the speech of minorities for some reason) jump to the defence of poland's nationalist government's censorship efforts. well of course you would...

it's also interesting that both of you hacks completely ignored the part where poland's right wing government had to break parliamentary laws in order to get this bill passed in the first place. once again, you're showing your true colours (if you can call brown that), and it couldn't be any more obvious that you people never actually gave a flying fuck about "free speech" of the "rule of law" - and literally no one is surprised, lol...

Oh please, this law is not censorship, all it asks TVN is to cut their ties to Discovery and become an independent channel whose people in power sit in the EU rather than New York.



Again: the Polish bill does not ban any channel for its content, it bans them for being owned by overseas media conglomerats. I really doubt that Murdoch media would have any problem dealing and circumventing this rule. I don't get why it's so difficult for Discovery to do the same with their TVN program.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 12 2021 09:51pm

damn, that was a quick pivot away from your first attempt, suggesting it's just fine to censor foreign owned media if they are critical of a government. i guess even you couldn't weasel your way out of that in any kind of way that allowed you to save face, huh?

so now you're trying the "well, it's just a small and reasonable request, and it's not even actual censorship" line. simple question: why? why does the polish government demand that one of its channels cuts its financial ties with an investor from one of its longest allies? how does that make any sense in a free democracy, and are you genuinely that economically illiterate that you can't comprehend the impact that would have on the outlet?

i mean, let's cut the crap, we both know why, and we also both know that censorship does not only come in the bluntest way thinkable, namely a government simply shutting down an outlet for being critical - even if you're trying to pretend anything short of that could be legitimate, no matter how transparent it is...

just please, don't insult your own intelligence by pretending you can't connect the dots between tvn being one of the last critical voices in poland's media landscape and poland's right wing government's push to silence them - i mean, you already gave it away in your first reply anyway, lol.
you might not have been on your a game then, just copying the absurd misrepresentations of what tvn actually is and does, hoping that would somehow justify the support for media censorship by the government, but by now i'm sure you've read into the matter and have a pretty solid idea of what's going on and why this has become an international story.

further debunking your already destroyed second attempt, and trying to finally get a comment regarding the part you constantly dodge: if this was just a perfectly reasonable request in accordance with democratic values, not a big deal at all - why would poland's ruling party have to break parliamentary law in order to push this through the lower house? don't you support the rule of law anymore?



i'll provide some more links to articles, for those who are genuinely unfamiliar with the situation, the context, and the severity of it. but again, i know for a fact YOU are not that uninformed (anymore) - you're just being a hack, happily defending censorship and authoritarianism because it comes from a group you politically agree with.

https://apnews.com/article/europe-business-media-382f8b3fb3645c6a33090e923ff7606d
https://www.dw.com/en/poland-parliament-votes-in-favor-of-controversial-media-bill/a-58828433

Italy are the only country that could potentially leave the EU in a few years, but if you look at the poll results across Europe of the proportion of respondents having a 'European identity', the difference between the UK and the rest of Europe is stark, for example 37% in UK vs 61% in Italy

In the long term, Italy's prospects of remaining in the EU are low as young Italians are flocking to anti-establishment parties in their droves

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Dude, people are fed up with your preferred far left "progressive" politics, you should take into account that Poland is mostly catholic and conservative. They'll simply protect themselves from MSM that are pushing woke far left "progressive" propaganda

Also the Poles don't care about entitled pricks like you who feel they're better than others and believe the Poles should just swallow whatever crap the EU throws at them.

lol

i mean, you can reframe censorship as "protecting themselves", you can (like the other right wing hacks) simply ignore that poland's right wing government violated parliament procedures to push this censorship bill through, if that makes you more comfortable defending actual authoritarians - but that doesn't change the FACTS of what's happening. obviously you're free to celebrate and support that, this is fortunately not poland, just don't EVER pretend you're in favour of "free speech" or the "rule of law" again, that's all.

oh, and just for the record: the USA is NOT part of the EU.

The EU are digging their own grave. Pushing woke "progressive" politics coupled with financial mismanagement on an epic scale means that you're living on borrowed time.

Keep pretending though that you're better than others, defender of minorities (translates to giving minorities and illegal immigrants more rights that others) and defender of free speech (translates to "you have to swallow our propaganda").

Good luck with the shitshow buddy.

clearly it's an islamic attack against christianity.

immigration of blacks, browns and muslims is a disease for any European country. Respect to Poland and Hungary for fighting the good fight to preserve their heritage!

the rest of what you write here is leftist demented propaganda as well, but I wanted to point that about immigration. LET THEM DROWN!

Bruxelle has lobbying (not as desastrous than US for its citizen) and slow administration (that's what needs to be fixed) issues.

Regarding Italy;

Giuseppe Conte (pro-euro) got elected as the leader of the 1rst party in Italy. Few days ago i think.