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Jun 16 2020 01:39pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jun 16 2020 12:36pm)
No, first sentence is fine, it reduce corona death.
It's not a big deal anyway, you may say "ok butt butt'... It's still saving 13% of those who are hospitalized without oxygen and without ventilator.

It's a bit late now, for EU... Maybe it will save third world countries like Africa or US


Haven't extensively looked into it. But from the multiple articles I read it was either patients on ventilators or patients on oxygen. Which, makes sense why an anti-inflammatory would work well.

Which article did you see about those without vents nor oxygen? And also, how are they coming up with those results?

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Jun 16 2020 01:45pm
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Haven't extensively looked into it. But from the multiple articles I read it was either patients of ventilators or patients on oxygen. Which, makes sense why an anti-inflammatory would work well.

Which article did you see about those without vents nor oxygen? And also, how are they coming up with those results?


https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexam%C3%A9thasone#Contre_la_Covid-19_?

Against the Covid-19
On June 16, 2020, the Oxford University Recovery trial announced that the drug could reduce deaths in patients most affected by COVID-19 (by 35% for those on ventilation and by 20% in COVID-19 patients on oxygen) due to its effect of inhibiting the cytokine storm. It was only reduced by 13% for patients not requiring respiratory assistance.
If the drug had been used to treat patients in the UK since the pandemic began, up to 5,000 lives could have been saved, the researchers said.
The molecule could be extremely beneficial in poor countries where the number of Covid-19 patients is high.
The UK government has 200,000 units of the drug in stock and says the NHS will make dexamethasone available to patients10.

Seems it's not even in English wiki lol
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Jun 16 2020 01:47pm
Quote (Flicker69 @ Jun 16 2020 12:33pm)
Dex reduces # of ventilator patient deaths. Is accurate.
Dex reduces # of coronavirus patient deaths. Is inaccurate and too vague.

Like I say. I'm not arguing what it is. I'm arguing how it was worded..


They are on a ventilator b/c they have COVID...which is the vast majority of COVID deaths. If B is a subset of A and B is reduced, you also reduce A.
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Jun 16 2020 01:50pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jun 16 2020 12:45pm)
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dexam%C3%A9thasone#Contre_la_Covid-19_?

Against the Covid-19
On June 16, 2020, the Oxford University Recovery trial announced that the drug could reduce deaths in patients most affected by COVID-19 (by 35% for those on ventilation and by 20% in COVID-19 patients on oxygen) due to its effect of inhibiting the cytokine storm. It was only reduced by 13% for patients not requiring respiratory assistance.
If the drug had been used to treat patients in the UK since the pandemic began, up to 5,000 lives could have been saved, the researchers said.
The molecule could be extremely beneficial in poor countries where the number of Covid-19 patients is high.
The UK government has 200,000 units of the drug in stock and says the NHS will make dexamethasone available to patients10.

Seems it's not even in English wiki lol


I like how it doesn't offer a rationale for the 13% but offers one for the ventilator patients.

Quote (thundercock @ Jun 16 2020 12:47pm)
They are on a ventilator b/c they have COVID...which is the vast majority of COVID deaths. If B is a subset of A and B is reduced, you also reduce A.


Dex would reduce ventilator patient deaths all across the board, regardless if on a ventilator for COVID or something else.
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Jun 16 2020 01:55pm
Meanwhile in France

The government is being sued because of their terrible handling of the COVID-19 crisis.

I'm reading some articles dating back to March 2020 that show doctors and healthcare workers were already suing the government. Some articles speak of government cover-ups, downplaying the crisis and lies!

This article in the Irish times dates Mar 26, 2020 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/coronavirus-lawsuits-fly-in-france-as-blame-game-begins-1.4213267 -> Prime minister and health ministers pursued in court for alleged manslaughter!

Other articles show that families that lost loved ones are also suing. A shitload of stuff showed up when I typed "french government sued over covid" so check for yourself.

At the same time user Saucepot6K was shit posting all over PARD how terrible Donald Trump was handling the COVID-19 crisis in the US! While his own country fucked up so badly that they're getting sued all over the place lolol

What a shit show



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Jun 16 2020 01:57pm
Quote (Flicker69 @ 16 Jun 2020 21:50)
I like how it doesn't offer a rationale for the 13% but offers one for the ventilator patients.
Dex would reduce ventilator patient deaths all across the board, regardless if on a ventilator for COVID or something else.


I would not refuse it, so the effect is like cortisol, but dozen of times more potent, it's even used for local anesthesia.
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Quote (Djunior @ Jun 16 2020 12:55pm)
Meanwhile in France

The government is being sued because of their terrible handling of the COVID-19 crisis.

I'm reading some articles dating back to March 2020 that show doctors and healthcare workers were already suing the government. Some articles speak of government cover-ups, downplaying the crisis and lies!

This article in the Irish times dates Mar 26, 2020 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/coronavirus-lawsuits-fly-in-france-as-blame-game-begins-1.4213267 -> Prime minister and health ministers pursued in court for alleged manslaughter!

Other articles show that families that lost loved ones are also suing. A shitload of stuff showed up when I typed "french government sued over covid" so check for yourself.

At the same time user Saucepot6K was shit posting all over PARD how terrible Donald Trump was handling the COVID-19 crisis in the US! While his own country fucked up so badly that they're getting sued all over the place lolol

What a shit show



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Jun 16 2020 01:59pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Jun 16 2020 09:58pm)
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B b but this aint happening in France! :rofl:

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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jun 16 2020 12:57pm)
I would not refuse it, so the effect is like cortisol, but dozen of times more potent, it's even used for local anesthesia.


Never heard of dex as a local anesthesia. Maybe a light dermal topical ointment. But saying anesthesia for that would be wrong.
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Jun 16 2020 02:05pm
Quote (Djunior @ 16 Jun 2020 21:55)
Meanwhile in France

The government is being sued because of their terrible handling of the COVID-19 crisis.

I'm reading some articles dating back to March 2020 that show doctors and healthcare workers were already suing the government. Some articles speak of government cover-ups, downplaying the crisis and lies!

This article in the Irish times dates Mar 26, 2020 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/coronavirus-lawsuits-fly-in-france-as-blame-game-begins-1.4213267 -> Prime minister and health ministers pursued in court for alleged manslaughter!

Other articles show that families that lost loved ones are also suing. A shitload of stuff showed up when I typed "french government sued over covid" so check for yourself.

At the same time user Saucepot6K was shit posting all over PARD how terrible Donald Trump was handling the COVID-19 crisis in the US! While his own country fucked up so badly that they're getting sued all over the place lolol

What a shit show


6 lawsuits ? March news ? Oh my gawd :rofl:

You need a friend or something ?

Quote (Flicker69 @ 16 Jun 2020 21:59)
Never heard of dex as a local anesthesia. Maybe a light dermal topical ointment. But saying anesthesia for that would be wrong.


Typically local anesthesia / lowering pain + anti inflammatory at Dentist, as example...
It's a detail, lets go back on the fact it works and save lives from advanced to very advanced stages of C19.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Jun 16 2020 02:07pm
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