No. Leadership means whatever happens youre responsible

That one really aged like milk ^^

The GOP continued to obstruct after Obama was reelected in 2012. The GOP continues to block both nonsensical policy as well as moderate policy from the Democrats. They NEED to do that because their whole shtick is that "government doesn't work."

I love the post office as an example.

The post office ran a profit while delivering routes that UPS and Fedex wouldn't touch because they weren't profitable. They only became unprofitable because they were sabotaged by then being required to fund healthcare and retirement for the next 50 years, something no private entity would ever have to do. Then Republicans came out and said "LOOK HOW MUCH MONEY THE POST OFFICE IS LOSING! WHY CAN'T THEY COMPETE!" and the low education people have eaten it up. This happens over and over, Republicans intentionally sabotage programs, then tout how government programs aren't efficient.

The GOP held the House in 2012 though, picked up a governor's mansion and made further inroads in state legislatures. And they only lost one net seat in the Senate because of idiosyncratic races with several atrocious candidates (Todd "legitimate rape" Akin comes to mind). 2012 was not a rejection of Republicans by the voters, it was basically just a confirmation that Obama himself was a great candidate and campaigner.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. That the GOP won't obstruct if they lose both houses and the presidency because of political pressure?

My point is that the GOP will react to voters equipping Biden with a strong mandate or strongly rejecting the GOP, and they will react to multi-cycle trends in the election results.


In 2012, the GOP had been doing generally well in the previous cycles, they kept doing well on the state level and effectively fought Democrats to a draw in the House and Senate. The only thing that really went wrong for them was the presidential race itself, which was easily explained by Obama being a much better candidate and campaigner than Romney, rather than voters giving Obama a strong mandate. Them continuing to do well in the following election cycles from 2013 to 2015 confirms this interpretation.



By contrast, if the GOP loses the presidential race and the House decidedly in 2020, after having been spanked in almost every race from 2017 to 2019 too, that's sending a strong signal of rejection by the voters. The GOP leadership arent idiots, they know that their party holds a huge structural advantage in the Senate given the current political geography. So in the scenario I described, their party will have been spanked nonstop for four consecutive years, having lost the House in the process and having seen their president being denied a second term, only holding on to the Senate because it is massively tilted their way. I dont understand how anyone could think that they could get away with destructive obstructionism of even moderate and common-sense bills in such a cimate. Their strategists must know that this would not win them back the suburbs or state legislatures, that this approach would not make them competitive for the presidential level again.

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Obama never pushed moderate policy.

The new head of the federal police force in Portland doesn't even know what an arrest is.

https://twitter.com/AndrewMCrespo/status/1285738001004482561?s=19

He could have responded to covid and tried to diminish its impact rather than lead an anti mask movement. The anti mask movement is the reason it is spiking up again and we are unable to open or send our kids to school because of this tool.

We are still knee deep in first wave corona while everyone else has flattened the curve. We needed leadership and we got tantrums.

Trump supporters are the enemy of working americans at this point.