Quote (Black XistenZ @ 2 Aug 2021 23:34)
That's the thing: they are trying to implement rules which will, in practice, leave no one a choice. Poorer antivaxxers will not be able to afford the 3++ tests per week for every member of their family. Places like restaurants, gyms and clubs will eventually no longer be accessible with a negative test and become vaccinated-only affairs. Various politicians dropped hints in this direction the last few days.
Or take a look at the recent law for returning vacationers: people coming back to Germany from a high-incidence country are subject to a minimum quarantine of 5 days if they are unvaccinated; even a negative test after the first day cannot shorten this. Since all our neighboring countries will become high-incidence this winter and almost no one can afford to just sit out a 5 day quarantine, this recent law will effectively mean that the unvaccinated cannot travel abroad this winter.
See the explanations above. Regarding the vaccination rate: according to my sources, the UK has 69% of its population with the first shot and 56.5% fully vaccinated. In Germany, the corresponding values are 61.7%/52.2%. So the difference is not all that large. Note that the Brits tend to report their vaccination rate with regard to their adult population, which makes the numbers seem bigger.
nothing you mentioned there leaves anti-vaxxers with no choice. in fact, you've been contradicting yourself by mentioning some of the measures of HOW to deal with those unwilling to get the shots while still NOT restricting their freedom to travel. concerning your example, "poorer antivaxxers" don't need "3++" tests per week for themselves AND their family, what are you even on about? kids don't need negative tests, and if you're so poor that you can't afford a test, you surely weren't going to the restaurant "3++" times a week. you're reaching so hard to make your silly little narrative work. as of yet, tests are free anyway.
i don't think it would be unreasonable at all to let the people who are CHOOSING to endanger everyone in their surrounding to at least pay for their tests (which, again, are pretty fucking cheap by now). you trying to portray that as some kind of insurmountable obstacle, a devious plan to FORCE them to get vaccinated is ridiculous. again, the REAL inconveniences and limitations are those resulting from people rejecting to protect themselves and those they come in contact with for no good reason. again, i'm in favour of their right to do that, but you're (obviously for political reasons) having it the wrong way around when you're acting like THEY are the one's suffering from others...
what "explanation"? uk's case and death numbers (currently at 75/day, compared to 19 in germany - 7 day average) are much higher, and that's despite them having a smaller population (66M compared to germany's 83M) and a much faster vaccine rollout:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/#graph-cases-dailyso i don't know if that's the shining example you seem to think it is. i would LOVE for it to be - unlike antivaxxer conspiracies suggest, i can assure you that no one loves to be limited in their freedoms, wear masks everywhere, get tested, and all the other shit we have to do these days.
This post was edited by fender on Aug 2 2021 04:40pm