That's interesting. So in France, by definition, there is a 14 weeks limit for the woman to make a decision to go with abortion?

So then, is it a crime then in France if a woman wants to carry out or carries out a no question asked abortion at 20 weeks? (I guess it can even be a 15 weeks or 30 weeks or whatever).

But isn't the US abortion rules different than of France in terms of how late it can be performed? (Sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying to learn).

the beginning argument starts with. are we a special creation or are we just the result of some kind of naturalistic random process?

he eats snails.................

My child was born on 12/31 but she (well, more like I) was still able to claim the whole year for our family tax lol.

The embryo is attached to their mother (to the uterine wall), not a part of their mother.

Ah I see. Because basically... People don't argue about this kind of stuff with animals and such (or do they?)

I guess in my mind, if we go with the philosophy as the leading definition of the question "when life begins," there really can't be a conclusive answers whereas if it is at least scientific, it SHOULD (and I emphasize this should highly) be able to come to some sort of scientific conclusive answer to it.

But thanks for the perspective for me to chew on that it can potentially be more philo vs science.

If that's what the voters want, then that's their choice. Republicans are probably going to overplay their hand though because people in deep red states support abortion under some circumstances. I've heard that some states are going to try and criminalize getting an abortion across state lines and that's obviously insane. Banning abortions when it comes to an ectopic pregnancy is also insane because the mother could very well die from that. Even the Catholic Church supports abortion in the case of an ectopic pregnancy. It's going to get messy but things will work out in the end. If we can't trust the people to vote on these issues and for state courts to make rulings, then we have bigger problems don't we?

Lastly, I wasn't offended by anything you said. I just wanted you to know where I stand because my views are very different than most Republicans. I'm like the ONLY dude on this forum who was pushing for Biden's BBB because I know how important it is to have affordable childcare, paid leave, etc. Not everyone can be as rich as me.



Well, you have to draw the line somewhere and it's a convenient place to draw the line at "well you have all your chromosomes." I was once a zygote. Part of me was once a sperm and part of me was once an egg. That's the main difference I guess. It can lead to some ridiculous scenarios such as the "genocide" of very early miscarriages but that's okay.

Yeah -eviction- then -murder- ...
/e In the loading screen, never forget.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on May 6 2022 07:42pm