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Feb 22 2022 04:19pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Feb 22 2022 04:11pm)
that is a pretty terrible take, there are more things than oil and gas out there


From a percentage of GDP, they're minor in comparison. Wheat is the top non-fossil fuel export from Russia, and it was 5th on their list, as of 2019 (https://oec.world/en/profile/country/rus). That year, wheat was a little over $8.1B in export value. The total value of the top 5 Russian exports (including wheat) was $241.2B. So wheat was about 3.4% of the value of the top five exports.

Macroeconomically-speaking, Russia is a gas station.
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Feb 22 2022 04:24pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Feb 22 2022 02:11pm)
Tell me, do you have any shame for supporting literal neo-nazi's in Ukraine? Ah, but it's a trick question since I already know the answer.

I fully support the people of Donbass, have supported them for 8 years now and will continue to support their people in the face of US, NATO, and Ukrainian army aggression, whom are responsible for having murdered thousands of their people and destroying thousands of their homes.

The victims of said aggression deserve a voice, they deserve to be heard, their stories deserve to be told, and they deserve for the world to know the full truth about what happened to them, and how it happened with full US and NATO support, all because they wanted to cause trouble for Russia.

Those people died so that the US and NATO could hurt Russia. Meanwhile, Ukraine continues to wage a genocidal war against them and continues to shell their town, homes, villages, and cities, all while conducting terrorist attacks on their territory like that roadside bomb that killed 3 innocent people yesterday.

They deserve to be recognized. They deserve to be protected and for the shelling of their territory to end. They fought for their independence and won, and this victory deserves respect. If you will recall, the United States once fought such a war for independence as well.

How can any self-respecting American say that the war for independence that Donbass fought is any less respectable than the war that America fought for its own independence?

What a shame so many of our people have become victims to propaganda and now would openly support the tyranny of a fascist regime responsible for countless war crimes against innocent civilians, all because of their own massively inflated ego's.



The only person in the fucking world saying the ukranian government is full of genocidal Nazis is Putin. There's literally zero evidence of a genocide in ukraine.
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Feb 22 2022 04:29pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Feb 22 2022 11:19pm)
From a percentage of GDP, they're minor in comparison. Wheat is the top non-fossil fuel export from Russia, and it was 5th on their list, as of 2019 (https://oec.world/en/profile/country/rus). That year, wheat was a little over $8.1B in export value. The total value of the top 5 Russian exports (including wheat) was $241.2B. So wheat was about 3.4% of the value of the top five exports.

Macroeconomically-speaking, Russia is a gas station.


they are a key supplier for multiple metals, that are essential for a lot of industries even if the overall monetary value is not big

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Feb 22 2022 04:48pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Feb 22 2022 04:19pm)
From a percentage of GDP, they're minor in comparison. Wheat is the top non-fossil fuel export from Russia, and it was 5th on their list, as of 2019 (https://oec.world/en/profile/country/rus). That year, wheat was a little over $8.1B in export value. The total value of the top 5 Russian exports (including wheat) was $241.2B. So wheat was about 3.4% of the value of the top five exports.

Macroeconomically-speaking, Russia is a gas station.


They're about as economically diversified as Canada. Less than most of the west, far more than a true gas station like Nigeria. There's something to be said about the self-sufficiency of any economy that can feed itself without imports, meet its own energy needs, build its own military and develop its own technology. Just because its weighted heavily to one end doesn't mean the country is economically precarious like some mideast oil kingdom that can't even get its own potable water. I'd figure their biggest risk is political instability after Putin dies, more than exports drying up.
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Feb 22 2022 04:49pm
Quote (Sioux @ Feb 22 2022 03:24pm)
The only person in the fucking world saying the ukranian government is full of genocidal Nazis is Putin. There's literally zero evidence of a genocide in ukraine.


"literally zero evidence" and yet I could write you a 100 page book detailing all of Ukraine's crimes against civilians in Eastern Ukraine, all documented with video and photographic proof if I felt like it.

And it's not just Putin. It's anybody that ignored MSM coverage of the conflict and has actually made a determined effort to find the truth. This includes Americans, Europeans, anyone of any nationality that has bothered to do their own research. It's not my fault you haven't ran into one before.

The fascist meth'ed out freaks in Ukraine burned 40 people alive in Odessa, received protection from police prosecution after the murders. They have a literal national holiday celebrating the life of Stepan Bandera. If you don't know who he is, look it up. Both of these things are facts that can be quickly verified by anybody with an internet connection.

There are pictures all over the internet taken by Right Sector, Azov, Aidar and others of themselves. Pictures of armed men covered in Nazi tattoos and swastikas. Also easily verified by anyone with an internet connection.

Their airstrikes and artillery slaughtered thousands more. Any place they managed to take over, they brutalized civilians, and openly massacred anyone they thought were pro-Russian, dumping their bodies into unmarked graves all over Eastern Ukraine.

They tortured POW's, and arbitrarily executed them until they realized that they could be used in prisoner exchanges and stopped doing it. Captured rebels, after being released told stories about how they were all brutally beaten into an inch of their lives. In some cases, the Ukrainians had cut off their trigger fingers before releasing them.

Just yesterday they use a roadside bomb to kill an entire family that just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Ukraine has become totally Nazi-fi'd, and just like how water is wet, it's easily verifiable information.

At any rate, I won't let anyone downplay their warcrimes. I'm pissed and tired of watching the victims, whom suffered under horrible conditions for years, who lost family and friends to shelling, continue to be blamed for something that isn't even their fault, or for that matter, be ignored as if they never existed and never brutalized.

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Feb 22 2022 04:50pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Feb 22 2022 02:49pm)
"literally zero evidence" and yet I could write you a 100 page book detailing all of Ukraine's crimes against civilians in Eastern Ukraine, all documented with video and photographic proof if I felt like it.

And it's not just Putin. It's anybody that ignored MSM coverage of the conflict and has actually made a determined effort to find the truth. This includes Americans, Europeans, anyone of any nationality that has bothered to do their own research. It's not my fault you haven't ran into one before.

The fascist meth'ed out freaks in Ukraine burned 40 people alive in Odessa, received protection from police prosecution after the murders. They have a literal national holiday celebrating the life of Stepan Bandera. If you don't know who he is, look it up. Both of these things are facts that can be quickly verified by anybody with an internet connection.

There are pictures all over the internet taken by Right Sector, Azov, Aidar and others of themselves. Pictures of armed men covered in Nazi tattoos and swastikas. Also easily verified by anyone with an internet connection.

Their airstrikes and artillery slaughtered thousands more. Any place they managed to take over, they brutalized civilians, and openly massacred anyone they thought were pro-Russian, dumping their bodies into unmarked graves all over Eastern Ukraine.

They tortured POW's, and arbitrarily executed them until they realized that they could be used in prisoner exchanges and stopped doing it. Captured rebels, after being released told stories about how they were all brutally beaten into an inch of their lives. In some cases, the Ukrainians had cut off their trigger fingers before releasing them.

Just yesterday they use a roadside bomb to kill an entire family that just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Ukraine has become totally Nazi-fi'd, and just like how water is wet, it's easily verifiable information.

At any rate, I won't let anyone downplay their warcrimes. I'm pissed and tired of watching the victims, whom suffered under horrible conditions for years, who lost family and friends to shelling, continue to be blamed for something that isn't even their fault, or for that matter, be ignored as if they never existed and never brutalized.


The best you came up with the last time I asked was a few tweets showing bullet holes in buildings.
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Feb 22 2022 04:51pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Feb 22 2022 04:29pm)
they are a key supplier for multiple metals, that are essential for a lot of industries even if the overall monetary value is not big


Never said they weren't. But if you had to use a general term that described the Russian economy, "gas station" applies. Hell, the top three exports are all petroleum products (#4 is coal), and those three alone comprise 53% of their total exports.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Feb 22 2022 04:48pm)
They're about as economically diversified as Canada. Less than most of the west, far more than a true gas station like Nigeria. There's something to be said about the self-sufficiency of any economy that can feed itself without imports, meet its own energy needs, build its own military and develop its own technology. Just because its weighted heavily to one end doesn't mean the country is economically precarious like some mideast oil kingdom that can't even get its own potable water. I'd figure their biggest risk is political instability after Putin dies, more than exports drying up.


Jeebus, look at all the arguments I'm not making that you're mentioning.
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Feb 22 2022 04:54pm
Quote (Sioux @ Feb 22 2022 03:50pm)
The best you came up with the last time I asked was a few tweets showing bullet holes in buildings.


One of the first videos I ever watched about Ukraine was taken in the aftermath of an airstrike from a Ukrainian SU-25 on a local government administration building in Donetsk.

A woman, just a random civilian had been in the area at the time. She was literally torn in half, both legs and her pelvis completely missing, her intestines splayed out on the ground.. I remember the scene well. She had red hair covered in dust.

She was still alive as the cameraman had started shooting mere moments after the airstrike. She raised her hand out towards the cameraman in her dying moments.

That video has probably been removed from youtube by now, but that should give you an idea of the brutality these people suffered through. I certainly won't forget it..
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Feb 22 2022 04:58pm
Quote (chopstickz777 @ Feb 22 2022 02:54pm)
One of the first videos I ever watched about Ukraine was taken in the aftermath of an airstrike from a Ukrainian SU-25 on a local government administration building in Donetsk.

A woman, just a random civilian had been in the area at the time. She was literally torn in half, both legs and her pelvis completely missing, her intestines splayed out on the ground.. I remember the scene well. She had red hair covered in dust.

She was still alive as the cameraman had started shooting mere moments after the airstrike. She raised her hand out towards the cameraman in her dying moments.

That video has probably been removed from youtube by now, but that should give you an idea of the brutality these people suffered through. I certainly won't forget it..


I remember a video I once saw of Chopstickz777 licking putin's boots. I can't find it on the internet now but I'll never forget it.
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