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Aug 28 2020 01:31pm
Quote (bogie160 @ 28 Aug 2020 21:28)
The simpler explanation is that he's a political kid who wanted to protest and thought it would be cool to show up armed. He ended up getting way in over his head, and was almost killed by rioters.


that 'explanation' is neither simpler nor more realistic. also, what exactly do you base your claim that he was 'almost killed' on? evidence does not seem to support it, those 'rioters' hadn't killed anyone. it's just a murder apologist narrative popular amongst fascists...

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Aug 28 2020 01:43pm
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That has nothing to do with what I was talking about. I'm talking about the guy who killed 2 people.

Kenosha PD looks bad because they aren't doing their job properly. I'm not sure how they didn't witness the 2nd and 3rd shooting when they were right there. They didn't even interview him!

Patriot hero George Zimmerman was interviewed and detained in a state that has much more relaxed laws.


Ehh i see. Id argue a riot in progess makes situations harder to assess.

I bet the governor gave the cops vague stand down orders too.

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Aug 28 2020 05:08pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Aug 28 2020 02:28pm)
The simpler explanation is that he's a political kid who wanted to protest and thought it would be cool to show up armed. He ended up getting way in over his head, and was almost killed by rioters.


yeah he went there with the intent to murder and he did, what a shocker!
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Aug 28 2020 05:17pm
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yeah he went there with the intent to murder and he did, what a shocker!


Two lies
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Aug 28 2020 05:22pm
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Two lies


Yea, I don't think you can say that at this time. There are reports that he was pointing his weapon at multiple people without provocation which is a big no no. I think that would blow a pretty big hole in his case if more evidence (sworn testimony) indicates that HE was the aggressor.
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Aug 28 2020 05:26pm
https://www.startribune.com/kenosha-police-union-gives-its-version-of-blake-shooting/572255822/

detailed account of the Jacob Blake shooting has now been given

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According to Matthews, the officers were dispatched there because of a complaint that Blake was attempting to steal the caller’s keys and vehicle. Matthews said officers were aware that Blake had an open warrant for felony sexual assault before they arrived.

Blake was armed with a knife, but officers did not initially see it, Matthews said.

The officers first saw him holding the knife while they were on the passenger side of the vehicle,” he said.

The bystander who recorded the shooting, 22-year-old Raysean White, said he saw Blake scuffling with three officers and heard them yell, “Drop the knife! Drop the knife!” before gunfire erupted. He said he didn’t see a knife in Blake’s hands. State investigators have said only that officers saw a knife on the floor of the car. They have not said whether Blake threatened anyone with it.

Matthews said officers made multiple requests to Blake to drop the knife, but he was uncooperative. He said officers used a Taser on Blake, but it did not incapacitate him.

“Blake forcefully fought with the officers, including putting one of the officers in a headlock,” Matthews said. A second stun from a Taser also did not stop him, he said.

As Blake opened the driver’s door of the SUV, Sheskey pulled on Blake’s shirt and then opened fire. Blake’s three children were in the backseat.

“Based on the inability to gain compliance and control after using verbal, physical and less-lethal means, the officers drew their firearms,” Matthews said. “Mr. Blake continued to ignore the officers’ commands, even with the threat of lethal force now present.”

The Wisconsin Department of Justice had no immediate comment on the union's version of events. An attorney for Blake's family did not immediately respond to emails seeking comment.


so to be clear:

They do say he was armed with a knife and they repeatedly told him to drop the knife
They didn't see he had the knife until just before the shooting
He had gotten one officer into a headlock and was tasered twice to no effect
He was attempting to steal his ex-girlfriends vehicle and kidnap their children, violating the restraining order.

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Aug 28 2020 05:26pm
Quote (fender @ Aug 28 2020 03:31pm)
that 'explanation' is neither simpler nor more realistic. also, what exactly do you base your claim that he was 'almost killed' on? evidence does not seem to support it, those 'rioters' hadn't killed anyone. it's just a murder apologist narrative popular amongst fascists...


Overwhelming video evidence showing multiple people attacking him, including one guy slamming him over the head with a skateboard and another charging at him and drawing a handgun to shoot him at point blank range after he fell to the ground


but hey a hack comedian said the only reason he could be there was because he wanted to kill people so lets blindly believe him and pretend thats a solid argument.
anyone who disagrees must be a "fascist" or "murder apologist"

vile anti-intellectual leftism on full display.

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Aug 28 2020 05:29pm
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Overwhelming video evidence showing multiple people attacking him, including one guy slamming him over the head with a skateboard and another charging at him and drawing a handgun to shoot him at point blank range after he fell to the ground

but hey a hack comedian said the only reason he could be there was because he wanted to kill people so lets blindly believe him and pretend thats a solid argument.
anyone who disagrees must be a "fascist" or "murder apologist"

vile anti-intellectual leftism on full display.


They sound like patriots throwing off an oppressive government.
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Aug 28 2020 05:39pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 28 2020 04:26pm)
https://www.startribune.com/kenosha-police-union-gives-its-version-of-blake-shooting/572255822/

detailed account of the Jacob Blake shooting has now been given



so to be clear:

They do say he was armed with a knife and they repeatedly told him to drop the knife
They didn't see he had the knife until just before the shooting
He had gotten one officer into a headlock and was tasered twice to no effect
He was attempting to steal his ex-girlfriends vehicle and kidnap their children, violating the restraining order.


The first two sentences don't really make sense to me. Did Blake tell the officers he was armed or something?

I don't think there is any question about Blake's character. Clearly a villain. The question is, did the officers handle the situation correctly? Given how many there were, I'd have to say no. Now, will there be legal ramifications? Probably not. However, I'd definitely fire the officer who used his gun. Getting that close to him if he's a lethal threat is incredibly foolish and shows a tremendous lack of judgment. The other officers should probably be placed on leave and retrained for being incompetent.
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Aug 28 2020 05:42pm
Quote (fender @ Aug 28 2020 03:31pm)
that 'explanation' is neither simpler nor more realistic. also, what exactly do you base your claim that he was 'almost killed' on? evidence does not seem to support it, those 'rioters' hadn't killed anyone. it's just a murder apologist narrative popular amongst fascists...


We have video of him fleeing the scene chased by angry protestors before shots start to go off. We have video of him getting physically assaulted.

There's no evidence to suggest he was radicalized, and it's not like he walked up and started blasting. Sounds like a wannabe tough guy with a doughy face who got way in over his head.

The idea that he's a secret sociopath out to murder mostly peaceful protesters is a huge stretch.
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