brick wall can actually provide value too, unlike 'brian_D' - a junior boomer who has confessed here that he has done nothing with his pale pasty lefty privilege but waste it

I honestly couldn't remember why he would @ me. I haven't addressed him in months, but apparently I got him all worked up last time. A month+ is a long time to hold a grudge on JSP even for an emotional wreck.

That's a horribly naive take. Impeachment is inherently a political process, we're in an election year, and particular witnesses will predictably inflict PR damage on a particular side of the partisan divide.

Actually, the reality is the exact opposite of what you're saying: if the Democrats were genuinely more concerned with protecting the nation from an abusive president than with scoring political points, they would happily agree to a "Bolton for Biden"-deal. Even more so since they would almost surely - on balance - come out ahead in terms of public perception. Bolton's testimony would be more harmful for the Republican president and the GOP senators than Biden's testimony would be for Democrats.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 30 2020 09:34am

ahhh yes ive seen this take a lot, the whole "bolton will willingly be an operative of the democratic party to swing the election despite working for only red blood republicans for his entire life".

the facts are simple here, its unclear what happened with Ukraine but Bolton was there and can make it more clear. if that causes political backlash, but not removal from office, the sobeit. and lesson learned for Trump on not doing things that can hurt him politically. he's come out unscathed from so many things that would have been career enders for past GOP politicians that its about time something even half sticks.



this is the wrong take, and gets us no where. if biden has nothing to hide he has no reason to turn down a biden for bolton deal. bolton clearly has something. him refusing to get up there is fucking everyone over. even if it costs him a 2020 run, just take the L for the party and fuck off.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jan 30 2020 09:40am

Theres no reason to bring Biden in. Trump was acting on a conspiracy theory and the information on Bidens actions is already available since he did it above board. The only reason to want Biden is political.

Its not political to keep extraneous witnesses out of the pricess, especially when they arent witnesses. Youre basically asking a victim of abuse to testify that they didnt deserve it.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jan 30 2020 09:39am

Which witnesses are called obviously shapes the story. Parnas, for instance, is going to say anything that he thinks will be advantageous towards his situation.

Republicans don't have an obligation to only call witnesses the Democrats think will be damaging to Trump.

I think most people know the gist of what happened here. And if they don't think that rises to impeachment, they don't want to waste time and hand Dems free ammunition for the upcoming election.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Jan 30 2020 09:44am

i think thats a rather silly claim to make. about 50% of voters would impeach trump for farting in an elevator.

If the Republicans have relavent witnesses that will help Trump then bring them in, but Biden is not relevant.




Personally I think when it came out that he takes his steak well done with ketchup he should have been executed by firing squad.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jan 30 2020 09:48am

The second sentence is in reference to the Republican Senate majority. They know what Bolton will say, and they don't care, because they don't think this rises to impeachment. And if it doesn't, why continue to drag the president through the mud?

Whether or there's a basis to believe that Biden is corrupt is central to Trump's defense. Schiff has specifically accused Trump of telling Ukraine to fabricate dirt on Biden.