no suprise, fenderp has dodged AGAIN

too many facts, get well soon



i agree, constitutional changes should always go with a referendum by the people, no matter how many seats you have in parliament

however stopping the influence of criminal scum like soros is completely justified to name one example
nobody can approve of obvious corruption and money making of course

What did Soros do that is criminal?

People slander and libel him a lot. Wondering of there is anything to it.

I just know him to be an enemy of fascism, communism , and free market fundamentalism. All similar ideologies using the same justifications.

This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 10 2018 03:47pm

are people like you ever doing any research? not even the most basic 5 minute google stuff?

he is an officially sentenced trade manipulator in france and his appeal at EU courts failed

i wont even mention how he is heavily involved in the violent ukraine insurgency that helped the oligarch poroshenko into office since he is more "investor friendly"
how he tried to destabilise entire countries with extreme currency manipulation
"Down with the D-Mark!" is a well known quote, when he tried to bring down the former german currency in 1993, which basically means toying with the lives and existences of over 80 million people and this is just ONE example
he also messed around with the british and french currency to make profit

his "open society" campaign that has the sole purpose of generating money for him and his friends is extremely dangerous for the world
donating for charity or his valid criticism for missing regulaton of the financial market wont make that go away, only strawmen

one can only hope that people like him disappear in the near future, the world will be a better place without such ruthless manipulators

Well he's a hundred years old so he probably will disappear soon.

Sounds like he's a pretty successful Banker.

I prefer my Society more open than closed.

I know he has done a lot to fight the capitalist and it Ruffles feathers. Commies and Nazis don't like him either.

When you say Ukraine unsurgency are you referring to being on the side of the Russian Stooges cuz I don't see that happening from him.

This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 10 2018 05:00pm

well yeah, successful banker nowadays almost equals involvement in shady business at least

"open" is fine as long as democracy and rule of law are not undermined for profit

no need to be on the side of russians, its even on his wikipedia, including sources how heavily he influenced the mess in ukraine to get rid of a pro russian oligarch and then replace him with a pro west oligarch
quite a few people died so that soros and his boys finally could make some money in ukraine

This post was edited by ampoo on Apr 10 2018 05:03pm

It didn't hurt that the vast majority of people supported the pro-west government. The people who didn't support it where the ethnic Russians packed in my Stalin at the end of World War II.

They had Yulia Tymoshenko kidnapped and incarcerated and everything. It was democracy versus dictatorship in that conflict.

The Orange Revolution didn't happen because George Soros paid for it. Let's just like Assad blaming the Arab Spring on the US.

Democracy in the Ukraine probably would have been lost if things did not go the way they did. Seems like a defense against the closing of an Iron Curtain.

Remember when Germany was divided like that?

This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 10 2018 05:36pm

just wondering how the propaganda victims that so mercilessly attack soros every chance they get think about the koch brothers and the mercers. never seen them attack those, i wonder why...



so you just keep ignoring that a court that could not be more objective, if anything would be interested in avoiding responsibility and diplomatic tensions, ruled that even the strongest case considering those rebellion charges is bogus?
instead you're focusing on your desperate spin that pointing out the difference between this case and your handpicked examples to illustrate how independent the spanish courts are in political rulings, is somehow cherry-picking. seriously, this is getting dangerously close to an average cultist's level of argumentation. i implore you, try to see the big picture (the severity of the charges, the one-sidedness of who is going to be punished and who's not...), and don't get lost in that stupid game of crying foul and resorting to lazy ad homs just because the facts and the issue itself don't support your chosen narrative.

again, to anyone who is not personally involved in this matter, it's painfully obvious how one-sided the assignment of guilt, and how disconnected from reality the charges issued are. a truly independent court would not even have entertained and pursued them.

This post was edited by fender on Apr 10 2018 06:13pm

well, janukowytsch was democratically elected and collected 48,8% of the votes
but when he declined the EU association agreement suddenly the euromaidan movement started, that began with small protests and ended in shocking violence by all sides with people being shot by snipers and their allegiance still being a discussion
the well armed violent mob (i still wonder how acquired their equipment, including steel riot shields) forced the man out of the country (despite germany and poland communicating an agreement that was rejected by the mob on maidan) and a controversial removal from office followed

in his stead we got a pro western oligarch, who has appeared in the panama papers with offshore dealings on british virgin islands to name just one example
one corrupt scumbag was replaced by another one, but with the right political views
needless to say that he signed the EU association immediately and even wants to join the NATO, despite an old agreement

is the ukraine better off with poroshenko despite him being a corrupt oligarch as well? i think so
he has received legitimisation with his victory in the elections that followed, no doubt about it

but was it really worth it, causing such a crisis by funding a violent opposition that included extreme right wing radicals to force an elected president out with less than a year left? (janukowytsch was elected in early 2010, term in ukraine is 5 years)
all because he refused to open the ukranian market for the west, so many deaths and a full-scale civil war with entire regions out of control and the crimea was lost to putin

nice job really, all of this could have been peaceful a few months later, get rid of janukowytsch in a civilised and democratic way, but certain people like soros couldnt wait to escalate the situation



posting proven FACTS=propaganda victim in the fenderp universe

last time i heard people like the kochs were not messing around with other countries and nobody in his right mind would approve of mercer

This post was edited by ampoo on Apr 10 2018 06:07pm

My 5 minuted of google shows points at Soros funding Palestinian human rights movements, being pro EU, pro democracy and anti discrimination.
Combine it, and right wingers will call him a antisemetic, muslim apoligist, left wing nutjob... Problem is that he's jewish, so he has to be discredited in some other way

This post was edited by Knoppie on Apr 11 2018 06:10am

yeah, lets forget everything i mentioned and play the "evil right wingers" card
like always

i wonder who would call him a "left wing nutjob" a stock market manipulator is as far away from being a leftist as it possibly can get