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May 3 2013 10:42am
Quote (Ylem122 @ 3 May 2013 16:33)
ah i see what you ment by infinity different infinities, though in a sense, if you calculate it out, they are all just aspects of the original infinity.
similar to how you can say this infinate family is going to all prime rooms, you can say this family is going to 3^2 then 3^2^2 then 3^2^2^2 then 3^2^2^2^2 ect


no, the infinity attached to the real numbers is substantially different to the infinity of the natural numbers
there are really infinitely many substantially different infinities (as can be constructed using the power sets)
all what you listed is still 'countable' while the real numbers are not countable
but let's stop the potential confusion here
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May 3 2013 11:18pm
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no, the infinity attached to the real numbers is substantially different to the infinity of the natural numbers
there are really infinitely many substantially different infinities (as can be constructed using the power sets)
all what you listed is still 'countable' while the real numbers are not countable
but let's stop the potential confusion here


Onto the next thing then? Alright (hehehe, I love how this started with Aetheric and I and ended up with brmv and Ylem122)

What would it take to convince you that there is a creator? Back to the very first question that I asked back in the first post - Would you be prepared to trust The Bible if the evidence were there?
You're looking for 'specific' evidence by the sounds of things. Tell everybody who cares to read, what would it take for you to believe and to trust the Bible?
What specific evidence are you looking for?
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May 4 2013 12:22am
Quote (CPK001 @ 4 May 2013 05:18)
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What would it take to convince you that there is a creator? not sure what it would take for me to become a theist of any flavour, faith cannot be forced
Back to the very first question that I asked back in the first post - Would you be prepared to trust The Bible ifthe evidence were there?
You're looking for 'specific' evidence by the sounds of things. Tell everybody who cares to read, what would it take for you to believe and to trust the Bible?
What specific evidence are you looking for?


and no, the bible is clearly no evidence
it is rather a big turn-off how every single word of the bible is mis-used to further other agendas
no need even to talk about plagiarism, distortion of facts and misinterpretations in the name of faith
christianity (every single denomination/sect/cult) has lost it's philosophical basis long ago

btw, hopefully you go to the UNSW website and check on the courses you ought to take to understand "god's formula"
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May 4 2013 08:23am
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and no, the bible is clearly no evidence
it is rather a big turn-off how every single word of the bible is mis-used to further other agendas
no need even to talk about plagiarism, distortion of facts and misinterpretations in the name of faith
christianity (every single denomination/sect/cult) has lost it's philosophical basis long ago

btw, hopefully you go to the UNSW website and check on the courses you ought to take to understand "god's formula"


So do you disagree with how the Bible teaches us to live?

A few examples such as "Love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you, turn the other cheek, forgive those who do wrong to you not 7 times but 77 times." etc.

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So do you disagree with how the Bible teaches us to live?
A few examples such as "Love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you, turn the other cheek, forgive those who do wrong to you not 7 times but 77 times." etc.


here you come again with statements following:

The First CPK001-poulgaragr Axiom of Argumentation: Do Not Allow Reason to Interfere with Your Argumentation
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The Second CPK001-poulgaragr Axiom of Argumentation: If You do Not have Anything else to say bring some Odd Quote
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The Third CPK001-poulgaragr Axiom of Argumentation: Make Random Claims which have No Basis

the bible just states some quite common ideas/principles, so you don't need the bible for that
my suggestion is that you read up (eg) on buddhism which established ideas/principles matching the above well before the start of the christian era
it would be good though if christians would follow those teachings, unfortunately most take the bible far too literally but do not follow through with what you quoted above

This post was edited by brmv on May 4 2013 08:55am
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here you come again with statements following:

The First CPK001-poulgaragr Axiom of Argumentation: Do Not Allow Reason to Interfere with Your Argumentation
&
The Second CPK001-poulgaragr Axiom of Argumentation: If You do Not have Anything else to say bring some Odd Quote
&
The Third CPK001-poulgaragr Axiom of Argumentation: Make Random Claims which have No Basis

the bible just states some quite common ideas/principles, so you don't need the bible for that
my suggestion is that you read up (eg) on buddhism which established ideas/principles matching the above well before the start of the christian era
it would be good though if christians would follow those teachings, unfortunately most take the bible far too literally but do not follow through with what you quoted above


...what a damned shame you think of them as teachings about behavior instead of Jesus giving us examples of the reason we need the grace of God that could only be attained through the sacrifice .
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Quote (CPK001 @ 4 May 2013 11:23)
So do you disagree with how the Bible teaches us to live?

A few examples such as "Love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you, turn the other cheek, forgive those who do wrong to you not 7 times but 77 times." etc.


you touched on a key point!!
we love all who do us harm, it includes lucifer, correct?
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May 4 2013 01:36pm
Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ May 4 2013 08:06am)
...what a damned shame you think of them as teachings about behavior instead of Jesus giving us examples of the reason we need the grace of God that could only be attained through the sacrifice .


grace can be attained in other ways, and the same conclusion can be drawn from different grace.

jesus was also a man, why talk about jesus as the son of god?
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May 4 2013 01:40pm
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grace can be attained in other ways, and the same conclusion can be drawn from different grace.

jesus was also a man, why talk about jesus as the son of god?


...the only grace that matters is saving grace and it is ONLY possible through the sacrifice of Jesus .
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May 4 2013 01:49pm
evil deeds are not necessary for the betterment of man.

was the death of jesus justified because jesus was the son of god?
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