I watched them "live" on TV, say those things, and saw the context.
They were inciting to riot, plain as day.

They seem to forget this when its convenient

Sorry that’s the excuse the media and doj are using against Trump. Try to keep up young chap.

Enforcement power for article 3 is found in article 5, explicitly given to Congress. Congress has authorized such a charge under U.S.C 2383. Congress also has the power of impeachment.

I said it would be absurd and unworkable to disqualify Republicans anytime any of their supporters commit violent acts or broke into federal buildings. Which by the way cuts both ways; there are plenty of instances where Democratic supporters attacked and/or stormed federal buildings in recent years. My point is that the standard for barring a politician from office must necessarily be much higher. This is the position we should all arrive at due to moral and small-d democratic principles - but even aside from these principles, practical considerations necessitate that a higher standard must be used. For example that the actions of the mob were directly caused and intended by the politician - a standard where barring Trump over Jan 6 already gets murky.



Since we're speaking about democratic principles: if a majority of the voting populace want a particular candidate as the political leader of their country, then I see no way for bureaucrats or technocrats or his political opponents to deny them without inflicting mortal damage to democracy itself. In my humble opinion, it's completely asinine, childish and short-sighted to believe that "the Trump problem" can, or should, be solved in any other fashion than the American voters rejecting him once and for all in 2024. What liberal politicians and judges (and their supporters like yourself and IceMage) are essentially doing here is issuing a vote of no confidence against the American voter.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Dec 30 2023 05:45pm

It's extremely funny to me that a dyed in the wool conservative and life long Republican like IceMage is called a liberal because he won't go along with you guys pretending a guy trying to overthrow the election shouldn't be held accountable.

Also your response was specifically in context of Trump telling them to go to the capital when he knew they were armed directly from his rally while he called politicians trying to get them to object and trying to get Pence to refuse to certify. So you can get fucked with your attempts at reframing the conversation. You said exactly what I said you did.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Dec 30 2023 06:07pm

Icemage has never been a republican and he has been wrong 90% of the time.

Its only fair we judge them by the same standard in this case. Trump was impeached and democrats spent years demonizing him because he spoke encouragingly to the protesters before they rioted, and took hours to respond and denounce them once they did. Most of these democrats gave fiery speeches, commentary or social media posts egging on the mob both prior to the Minneapolis riots and even during them. They took days or weeks to come around, or never actually did at all and still try to justify the riots even after people were killed and cities torched.
I'd like to think a reasonable person would know you can't blame one person for the actions of another. But that standard has to be applied evenly. If Trump can be condemned because his supporters rioted even when he told them to be peaceful and made an effort to try to pacify them, than Democrats can absolutely be condemned because their supporters rioted when they were given far more directly inciting rhetoric and their violence tacitly approved (or in some cases, more overtly approved).

That's just turnabout being fair play. If democrats can strike republicans off the ballot with some contrived and legally bogus argument of 'his supporters rioted', republicans can do exactly the same in return and have plenty of fodder for their similarly bogus justification.
Its a very dumb road for our democracy to go down, and if anything we might not see it because Republicans view it both dangerous and strategically self-defeating. Better to let Democrats get egg on their face than wipe egg on their own faces

lol