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Jun 26 2021 09:48am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 26 2021 03:37pm)
The pro refugee forces spurred the immigration of these type of people to Germany and did everything in their power to prevent the deportation of rejected asylum seekers, like the attacker in this case. Therefore, without them, this dude would not have been around in the first place and 8+ of our fellow citizens would not have been butchered.




According to unconfirmed reports in German mainstream media from today, the attacker has now spoken about his motives and called this attack "my jihad". So it looks increasingly possible that this was an islamistic terror attack rather than an apolitical killing spree.


yeah, but the german authorities have not called the terrorist squad to investigate. they already made their mind when they saw he was in a mental hospital for acouple of days.

GUYS GUYS GUYS WE HAVE THE PERFECT ALIBI was said but in german.
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Jun 26 2021 09:54am
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The pro refugee forces spurred the immigration of these type of people to Germany and did everything in their power to prevent the deportation of rejected asylum seekers, like the attacker in this case. Therefore, without them, this dude would not have been around in the first place and 8+ of our fellow citizens would not have been butchered.




According to unconfirmed reports in German mainstream media from today, the attacker has now spoken about his motives and called this attack "my jihad". So it looks increasingly possible that this was an islamistic terror attack rather than an apolitical killing spree.


could you show me those people opposing the deportation of islamist terrorists? because i sure don't know any.
i can show you some people who try to justify and downplay right wing terror attacks though, while using the same absurd "logic" and rhetoric as the perpetrators. they are very real.

just to be clear, i'm not using this as a distraction - the attack was horrible, despicable, and the scumbag killing innocent people deserves the harshest possible punishment, i just find it pretty rich that the little bigot who just days ago tried to defend clearly politically motivated murders and terrorist attacks from the christian conservative right (not the islamist right though ofc), and eventually dodged the conversation completely because the facts outright refuted his narratives, is the first one to not only pretend the recent attack is the only kind of serious threat in germany, but even tries to blame everyone who doesn't share his racist views for this cowardly act (something you unsurprisingly support, regardless of the absurdity of your causality chain, which you could easily track back to the big bang btw xD)...
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Jun 26 2021 09:56am
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yeah, but the german authorities have not called the terrorist squad to investigate. they already made their mind when they saw he was in a mental hospital for acouple of days.

GUYS GUYS GUYS WE HAVE THE PERFECT ALIBI was said but in german.


that's pretty hilarious because that is EXACTLY what the little bigot ampoo tried to do with a clearly right wing terror attack that happened in germany a couple of years ago...
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Jun 26 2021 09:57am
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that's pretty hilarious because that is EXACTLY what the little bigot ampoo tried to do with a clearly right wing terror attack that happened in germany a couple of years ago...


cool story bro. in the meantime an islamic terrorist who came and stayed in Germany the "migration" way just butchered innocent civilians.

nice what about-ism you have there.
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cool story bro. in the meantime an islamic terrorist who came and stayed in Germany the "migration" way just butchered innocent civilians.

nice what about-ism you have there.


no whataboutism, i already addressed that inexcusable attack. i can still talk about the political framing that you bigots - who are secretly celebrating this incident, not actually giving a shit about the victims - are trying to put on it. if this tragedy was preventable in any reasonable way (no, absurd causality chains based on wild generalisations and hindsight don't pass as such) by authorities, we should definitely talk about changing rules / standards / regulations to address that - but all i see is politically charged bs full of lies and misrepresentations.
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Jun 26 2021 10:14am
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could you show me those people opposing the deportation of islamist terrorists? because i sure don't know any.

Here is a statement from the Bundestag caucus of the Greens, who are the most pro-refugee major party in German politics, in which they categorically speak out against all deportations to Afghanistan, which of course includes terrorists and proven islamists:
https://www.gruene-bundestag.de/presse/pressemitteilungen/abschiebungen-nach-afghanistan-sind-inakzeptabel

Here is an article describing the debate about the deportation of violent criminals and islamists to Syria, with the Social Democrats and the Greens speaking out against that:
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article224478580/Gefaehrder-Bundeslaender-bereiten-Abschiebungen-nach-Syrien-vor.html

Here are the main churches saying that "no one" shall be deported to Syria or Afghanistan under any circumstances:
https://www.katholisch.de/artikel/30205-kirche-keine-abschiebungen-nach-syrien-und-afghanistan

And here is an opinion piece from the Sueddeutsche Zeitung, one of Germany's most reputable newspapers which has always fully supported Merkel's refugee policy, arguing that deportations are no solution to the problem with criminal or extremist migrants, concluding with the statement that "Germany has to deal on its own with imported crime from [Syria]":
https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/abschiebungen-syrien-seehofer-messerattacke-dresden-1.5091479




Needless to say that the Leftist Party and unions are pro-refugee/pro-wide-open borders and categorically against deportations.
The debate has, so far, focused on Syria and Afghanistan because these are two of the main countries of origin of the asylum seekers in Germany, but all the arguments of course apply to Somalia as well...

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 26 2021 10:15am
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Jun 26 2021 10:19am
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no whataboutism, i already addressed that inexcusable attack. i can still talk about the political framing that you bigots - who are secretly celebrating this incident, not actually giving a shit about the victims - are trying to put on it. if this tragedy was preventable in any reasonable way (no, absurd causality chains based on wild generalisations and hindsight don't pass as such) by authorities, we should definitely talk about changing rules / standards / regulations to address that - but all i see is politically charged bs full of lies and misrepresentations.


lmao, triggered.

of course this could have been prevented, merkel shouldn't have invited millions of cockroaches in.
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Jun 26 2021 10:27am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 26 Jun 2021 18:14)
Here is a statement from the Bundestag caucus of the Greens, who are the most pro-refugee major party in German politics, in which they categorically speak out against all deportations to Afghanistan, which of course includes terrorists and proven islamists:
https://www.gruene-bundestag.de/presse/pressemitteilungen/abschiebungen-nach-afghanistan-sind-inakzeptabel

Here is an article describing the debate about the deportation of violent criminals and islamists to Syria, with the Social Democrats and the Greens speaking out against that:
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article224478580/Gefaehrder-Bundeslaender-bereiten-Abschiebungen-nach-Syrien-vor.html

Here are the main churches saying that "no one" shall be deported to Syria or Afghanistan under any circumstances:
https://www.katholisch.de/artikel/30205-kirche-keine-abschiebungen-nach-syrien-und-afghanistan

And here is an opinion piece from the Sueddeutsche Zeitung, one of Germany's most reputable newspapers which has always fully supported Merkel's refugee policy, arguing that deportations are no solution to the problem with criminal or extremist migrants, concluding with the statement that "Germany has to deal on its own with imported crime from [Syria]":
https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/abschiebungen-syrien-seehofer-messerattacke-dresden-1.5091479



Needless to say that the Leftist Party and unions are pro-refugee/pro-wide-open borders and categorically against deportations.
The debate has, so far, focused on Syria and Afghanistan because these are two of the main countries of origin of the asylum seekers in Germany, but all the arguments of course apply to Somalia as well...


you missed a bit there, not just the rest of my post but also within the part you quoted... you also tried to inb4 the crucial oversight in your argument, but the difference between somalia and afghanistan and syria is not just a negligible technicality. so many things you have to ignore to make your politically charged accusations even remotely "work", lol. implying those proposed (not law!) protections apply to terrorists as well, absurd. bad faith for days...

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you missed a bit there, not just the rest of my post but also within the part you quoted... you also tried to inb4 the crucial oversight in your argument, but the difference between somalia and afghanistan and syria is not just a negligible technicality. so many things you have to ignore to make your politically charged accusations even remotely "work", lol. implying those proposed (not law!) protections apply to terrorists as well, absurd. bad faith for days...

Are you kidding me? If the left-leaning political parties and the churches categorically speak out against any deportations to countries like Syria or Afghanistan, based on the argument that doing so would violate the migrants' inalienable human rights, then this of course also extends to criminals or even terrorists. Heck, from 2015 until well into 2018, the Social Democrats were even fighting for the right to family reunification for rejeced asylum seekers who are deemed a threat to public safety ("Gefährder mit subsidärem Schutzstatus").


You're in outright denial about the fact that Germany's political left supports migration and integration policies which would effectively allow everyone, including criminals and islamists, to stay here indefinitely.


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Are you kidding me? If the left-leaning political parties and the churches categorically speak out against any deportations to countries like Syria or Afghanistan, based on the argument that doing so would violate the migrants' inalienable human rights, then this of course also extends to criminals or even terrorists. Heck, from 2015 until well into 2018, the Social Democrats were even fighting for the right to family reunification for rejeced asylum seekers who are deemed a threat to public safety ("Gefährder mit subsidärem Schutzstatus").


You're in outright denial about the fact that Germany's political left supports migration and integration policies which would effectively allow everyone, including criminals and islamists, to stay here indefinitely.


you people with your slippery slopes all the time. if fallacies are the only thing you have to make your case you know it's a weak one to begin with...
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