Facts dont care about your feelings

Russiagate wasn't a hoax. It found that Russian intelligence hacked the DNC, as well as Hillary campaign staff's emails, and spread them. They also had a social media influence campaign. They also managed to reach out to Trump campaign officials, which started Crossfire Hurricane. Trump's own campaign chairman shared internal campaign polling data with a Russian intelligence officer(according to the Senate intel committee's report, accepted by Republicans).

If you can't accept these basic facts there's no point in me debating you on other issues.

This post was edited by IceMage on Dec 12 2020 12:28pm

Your post is completely useless. Pointing out the absolute hypocrisy of people who spent the better part of the last 4 years claiming an election was "stolen" when all intelligence and congressional investigations proved that it was legitimate now trying to turn around and say, "Lose gracefully" is a great passtime.

I don't care who wins. If the EC votes in Biden on Monday and Congress certifies that result on the 6th, that's great. Fine, whatever. If it's Trump, fine, that works too. But don't act like the people who've sat there for years claiming all kinds of bullshit about the 2016 election and going on and on incessantly about "not my president" have any moral authority whatsoever when it comes to crying over elections. The baby nuts bullshit from communists like thor and icemage is exactly that. The deranged rantings of those we've sat here and watched cry for years because they can't stand not getting their own way.



LOL. DNC server security being shit is the DNC's problem and has nothing whatsoever to do with election legitimacy. Spit out Hillary's cock and get over it already.

And the "social media influence campaign" as you put it means what, exactly? People shitposting memes? So what? Everyone from every nation puts in their opinions regarding US elections. That's neither wrong, bad, nor illegal.

Every additional post you sound more stupid. "Reach out to Trump officials". What? You mean a random email to Jr. about something not related to the election at all? Let's get real here.

Once again, why were the actual voting and tabulation machines used in the battleground states designed and made by foreign entities? That's real, concrete evidence of foreign involvement in the vote itself. Perhaps it was all legitimate. Perhaps not. But you claim to know without any proof one way or another. That's a tall order. We put up with 3 years of investigations that concluded that there was no russian collusion, and there was no direct interference, and here you are saying, "Hey! All's well! Don't even ask questions or I'll scream at you!"

Seriously, use logic or shut the fuck up, commie.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Dec 12 2020 12:36pm

lol

DNC security is irrelevant. The question was what Russia did, and they hacked into the DNC, and disseminated the emails there to influence the election in favor of Trump.

The social media influence campaign involved Russians coming over here to research the country. It involved staging events, and if I recall correctly, even staging contrasting events where Americans might fight with each other. I know cultists want to pretend the social media influence was nothing, that's not true. And it ignores the fact that Russia had other measures to influence the election.

Russians managed to get a meeting in Trump tower with Manafort, Kushner, and Don Jr, with the offer to give them dirt on Hillary. This is a monumental intelligence achievement for the Russians. According to the evidence gathered by the Special Counsel, it was a dud, but that doesn't mean the fact that it happened isn't concerning, and incriminating for the Trump people who took part in it.

If you want to understand why your theories are nonsense, Google it. It's not hidden knowledge. No serious person accepts it as legitimate.

First, "Russia" hacking into the DNC was never verified by the FBI or any intelligence agency. It was a claim made by a private corporation. If you trust them, good on you. But that has NOTHING to do with the 2016 election legitimacy.

If your claim is that the election results were altered due to the information contained on the server and in the emails, that's not Russia's problem. That's the DNC and Hillary's problem. If they weren't behaving in a corrupt manner, there would never have been a reveal, would there?

Regarding the Trump tower meeting with a Russian Lawyer advocating for Russian Children adopted by Americans, what of it? This is all so tin foil I've gotta laugh.

But all that's moot. There's still no "interference in an election". There's no fraud, there's nothing whatsoever that impacts the legitimacy of the election. The DNC has nothing to do with the vote outside of their primaries. Done, end of story. There was no evidence whatsoever of any collusion. Done, end of story. 3 years and 30 million dollars later, there was a big nothing.

Explain to me why voting machines created by foreign entities are being used in US elections. Just answer that one question. I'm not presenting any "theories" at all. I'm asking you to explain a fact. Dominion Voting Systems is a foreign company. This is not a "theory" it is a fact. Their systems are proprietary. This is a direct foreign influence in a US election.

So, why are these machines okay? A simple answer is best.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Dec 12 2020 01:31pm

Lawl.

Thanks for this... I have no reason to continue further.

Russia did influence the election according to every Republican lead investigation on the subject. The mueller report revealed a ton of illegal obstruction by the Trump team, Trump ordering staff to work with them and his orders being ignored, and his first campaign manager passing polling data to them to help with their disinformation campaign.

The Trump team has had over 50 court cases and hasnt been able to even show there was any level of fraud, much less a nationwide conspiracy.

You're not interested in facts. Your post is all feelings.

In his defense "CIA" only has intelligence in its name if you spell it out

"Influence". This is your go-to now? You influence elections every time you talk politics. Unless it's illegal, they can influence all they want. Social media posts aren't interfering. They're simply speech, which is still allowed in the US, funny enough. And just LOL at obstruction. The Mueller report showed there was no collusion, and Russia did not interfere in the 2016 election. Done, end of story. The so-called "social media influence" is laughable at best. A few grand worth of ads on facebook? Just stop. Wikileaks? According to Assange, his source was not Russian, so I won't even give it to you there, OR take the word of a third party security firm being paid BY the DNC. Why wouldn't the DNC allow the FBI to perform a forensics analysis?

And I'd like to see the full list of Trump's 50 cases. Because the last I saw, Trump has had like 4 cases. As it turns out, the 50+ number involves the few from Trump, several from the RNC, a bunch from individual teams in various states, AND some completely independent cases. So, please point me to those cases where Trump has direct involvement. Fact is, you won't, because you can't. You assume that the person you're speaking to is as ignorant as you. And frankly, you even misrepresent the result of a ton of those cases. There have been 2 dozen that were shot down with a decision of, "There are not enough bad ballots to change the results, therefore you have no standing". Yet the idea of getting several dozen counties overturned is that if the overall change in votes from a dozen counties in 1 state is a total of 50,000 vote switch, it swings the state.

Actual lawyers are pissed that the cases weren't given standing. None of the decisions had to do with "no fraud" or "no irregularities". As a point in fact, most of them acknowledged fraud and/or irregularities, but refused to give the plaintiffs standing because the outcome would not change based on the individual case.

The fact that you still give the Russia hoax merit, yet cannot answer why voting machines are used in US elections that are proprietary systems built by a foreign entity says everything. Feelings indeed.



No intelligence agency was given leave by the DNC to perform forensics analysis on their servers. It was performed via third party firms paid for by the DNC. As it turns out, when your employer pays you to say something, you can come up with any results they want you to.