Illegal immigration

Right. Because campaign finance and campaign donations from Wall Street weren't nearly as big or as talked about of an issue in 2008 as they are in 2016. Bernie Sanders helped make this an issue that people even realized or cared about.

If it the reason was sexism, then perhaps Hillary Clinton (and not Obama) would have had pressure from voters and the media to release any Wall Street speech transcripts before 2008. But alas, no one even really cared about that issue or talked about that issue. One, because it's a bigger issue now and two, because it was two establishment candidates running against each other who both benefited from the same thing.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion on this subject, but not all opinions are created equally. Unfortunately, calling the Clinton transcript subject a sexist attack against Hillary just further hurts the credibility of legitimate complaints of sexism against the candidate, of which there are some that I have definitely noticed.

This post was edited by ThatAlex on Jul 18 2016 03:46pm

I'm gonna have you respectfully ask you to fight me irl

Never trump supporters shut the Fuck down at the convention hahah the whole Colorado delegates walked out Now that this is over time to have some fun at the convention. Meanwhile Hillary is begging for votes giving a speech to the naacp just a few miles down the road.

Beowulf unleashes a powerful retort:

Your opinion differs from mine despite us both making what I consider to be decent cases but you feel mine is not legitimate and feel your opinion comes from a more informed place than mine does.

I accept your head up ass position and walk away from it online (or fight to the death irl)

illegal immigration is still immigration

Illegal immigration today is the way my ancestors got here so I don't really care about it and a good portion of people in Ohio and maybe a majority aren't worried about immigration as a whole whether illegal or not.

Most people in Ohio are worried about the drug epidemic and lack of economic growth in cities that used to rely on manufacturing industries.

The kicker for the Demitards is that the IRS is THEIR bribed shill organization, and the reason why Donald is protected for now is because they abused their power with it.

AND, after the IRS is finished, unless they find legal issues with his returns Trump is basically proven innocent. He won't have to show proof because the IRS will have already done so.

Meanwhile Trump can play his "rigged system" card.

I hope he keeps his promise to abolish the irs and do a tax reform. The flat tax sounds like a much better ideal

We just have to agree to disagree. I've extensively outlined my position on the subject and explained why I don't think requesting to see Hillary Clinton's transcripts to Wall Street is sexist. This is an issue of transparency and campaign finance reform, not sexism.

I've discussed the recent historical context surrounding the media coverage and public's concern with campaign donations by Wall Street and why campaign finance/political donations from Wall Street haven't been an issue under the spotlight until more recently, and certainly not in 2008 during the DNC primary (Obama vs Clinton).

If you outline a case explaining why you think it is specifically sexist to call for her Wall Street speech transcripts for the sake of transparency instead of simply refuting my claims, perhaps I'll give your opinion more of a chance.

Lastly the reason I bring up the opinion thing is because you called people who wanted to see the transcripts "fucks" and didn't really back up why I am a sexist fuck for what I think is encouraging transparency from leadership. That's a pretty large claim, and one shouldn't be so surprised when people ask for you to defend it and justify why were are sexist fucks. We have a difference opinion, you think your opinion is correct and I mine. That is a pretty common occurrence on a political/religious board. I call your opinion unsubstantive because I haven't seen a strong case for your position but rather a refutal of mine and you were the one to make the strong and original claim.