He mentioned becoming an individual upon conception. An individual is an organism. Too bad you are so bad at inferring.

And apparently you thought sperm and eggs could become individuals if you tracked back far enough. LOL.

This post was edited by JessiWan on May 6 2022 07:29pm

Embryo is part of the mother until its viable. End of story.

Just wanted to get some insight since I'm not really all that knowledgeable in the debate and such but I'm open and willing to learn.

1. IF (since the leak was just a draft) this gets overturned, it's not that abortion as a whole is banned but it's simply not a constitutional rights anymore and goes back to the individual states to decide on how to handle the matter right? Oversimplifying it, it would go from federal to state level right?

2. Seems like with abortion issues, it narrows down to if life starts at conception or not. Because on one hand, IF life starts at conception, then the moral implication would be that it's murder. But IF life doesn't start at conception but at a set determined weeks (heartbeat, brain activity, going through the birth canal, and etc) then there is no moral conundrum and it's just a simple medical procedure. (Please feel free to correct and add on to this because I'm here to learn). So with that said, shouldn't biologists who study the science of these things be the lead speakers on the matter? Or is there no consensus even in the biologist community? And if there isn't a consensus, what is preventing the conclusive statement?

It's not.

If you mix its blood with that of the woman's, she could die. Would people die from their own blood?

It doesn't take biologists, but rather, it takes philosophers. We are trying to figure out when life begins. This is largely a philosophical issue. It's not a biological issue.

Btw, life does begin at conception. That "clump of cells" is dividing and growing, taking up nutrients and eliminating wastes. Only living beings can do that.

This post was edited by JessiWan on May 6 2022 07:15pm

The embryo is part of the mother, in France, we have 14 weeks limit. The world record is 25 weeks for survival.
There is nothing else to say, or this; in a natural environment, you have mothers (mammals) who eat their dead or very weak new borns to feed those who have survived.

The embryo is part of the mother till viable=> checkmate.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on May 6 2022 07:25pm

Oh? It's interesting that you're bringing in philosophy rather than biology as the leading issue. Do you mind expanding on that?

Because my assumption is/was that the biology should be able to give definitive answers to the question of "when human life begins" (thus the phrasing of my inquiry).

It begins the day you receive your first tax bill

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on May 6 2022 07:26pm

i say what you say in number 1 is spot on.

number 2 just covers some of the arguments people are fighting about.

That the embryo is a part of the mother till such and such time, is a human invention. Your country has defined it in such a way. It lays out the rules for when abortion can be considered acceptable. But it does nothing to change the underlying biological fact, which is that the embryo is a separate entity from the woman.

You do love to let laws do your thinking for you, though.