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Dec 8 2021 02:47pm
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Yes, and in this scenario you're hypothetically hooked up to them.

In that scenario, what should your moral and legal responsibility be?

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and in this case states rights further abortion being illegal in many states that want to attack it, so there isnt really a difference in this case. i think some are legit state's rights activists, some are more opportunist with it and willing to bend a lot.

dems arent any different, try getting a unified message on reparations with a group of 100 dems in a room. the biggest difference is in voting as a coalition, wherein libertarian difference is understandable because some dont think voting should even be done and all agree its more than a long shot to win rendering voting as largely ceremonial. GL getting suburban white dems to agree with govt organization with a coastal pink haired wierdo.


They are different though. Democrats encompas a spectrum that's maybe 25% of the size of the spectrum encompassed by libertarians. Libertarians and Democrats both fit comfortably in the authoritarian right. Libertarians are all of the bottom half of the spectrum.

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Dec 8 2021 03:20pm
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Yes, and in this scenario you're hypothetically hooked up to them.

In that scenario, what should your moral and legal responsibility be?



They are different though. Democrats encompas a spectrum that's maybe 25% of the size of the spectrum encompassed by libertarians. Libertarians and Democrats both fit comfortably in the authoritarian right. Libertarians are all of the bottom half of the spectrum.


im not sure why the breadth of the spectrum coverage would invalidate identification with an ideology tho. and in any case democratic voters cover literal communists and socialist all the way to corporate shills that are worldwide conservatives, so im not sure your math checks out either. identifying as a coalition that agrees the GOP sucks sounds similar to the govt sucks.
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Dec 8 2021 03:37pm
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im not sure why the breadth of the spectrum coverage would invalidate identification with an ideology tho. and in any case democratic voters cover literal communists and socialist all the way to corporate shills that are worldwide conservatives, so im not sure your math checks out either. identifying as a coalition that agrees the GOP sucks sounds similar to the govt sucks.


Democrats aren't exactly "not Republicans", they're more like "middle to authoritarian right". They believe in capitalism with some minor oversight to reduce inequalities. But they tend to get all of the "I just don't want a Republican" votes because they are the furthest left party, and Republicans encompass all of the area further to the right.

In all practical terms Democrats go from pretty much dead-center or slightly to the left (Bernie), to the middle of the authoritarian-right (basically all establishment Democrats), and where they end on the authoritarian right is where Republicans start.

However Libertarians are everything south of center, left and right.
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Dec 8 2021 06:14pm
Cis-men should not be pro-life or pro-choice. They should be 100% neutral on the issue and any sort of stance on the issue is anti-feminist and "man-splaining."

Many folks with views similar to fender are pro-choice because they think that it will help them get laid. Ironically, many will become pro-life in order to punish the women who didn't sleep with them. Sometimes, being an ally means shutting the fuck up and letting women speak out on the issue.
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Dec 8 2021 06:34pm
abort literally means to cancel or "can" the cell of life.trashing human life as it were.

in situations where the woman/mother is told she may die giving birth, that is understandable.

but pop up abortion clinics catering to satanic ritualism ~ not understandable, strickly evil.
the funding should go to the exception noted above not more clinics.

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Dec 8 2021 06:42pm
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Cis-men should not be pro-life or pro-choice. They should be 100% neutral on the issue and any sort of stance on the issue is anti-feminist and "man-splaining."

Many folks with views similar to fender are pro-choice because they think that it will help them get laid. Ironically, many will become pro-life in order to punish the women who didn't sleep with them. Sometimes, being an ally means shutting the fuck up and letting women speak out on the issue.


cute silencing attempt, you're really not ashamed to mindlessly regurgitate any old far-right narrative, no matter how ridiculous and absurd it is, huh?

meanwhile in reality, women have spoken loudly and clearly: hands off their reproductive rights - look at any poll conducted within the last couple of decades an overwhelmingly majority of women agrees on that. problem is that conservative zealots simply don't care, because they think their shitty religious views trump the rights of women.
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Dec 8 2021 06:45pm
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cute silencing attempt, you're really not ashamed to mindlessly regurgitate any old far-right narrative, no matter how ridiculous and absurd it is, huh?

meanwhile in reality, women have spoken loudly and clearly: hands off their reproductive rights - look at any poll conducted within the last couple of decades an overwhelmingly majority of women agrees on that. problem is that conservative zealots simply don't care, because they think their shitty religious views trump the rights of women.



hands off would include the doctors, double standard much?

start helping the people who want safer births not lazy killers glorified by enabled power tripping.

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Dec 8 2021 06:49pm
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cute silencing attempt, you're really not ashamed to mindlessly regurgitate any old far-right narrative, no matter how ridiculous and absurd it is, huh?

meanwhile in reality, women have spoken loudly and clearly: hands off their reproductive rights - look at any poll conducted within the last couple of decades an overwhelmingly majority of women agrees on that. problem is that conservative zealots simply don't care, because they think their shitty religious views trump the rights of women.


They certainly do if they have the votes! The grim reality is that the pro-abortion crowd isn't as focused and organized as the anti-abortion crowd. Actions (and inaction) have consequences and we're seeing that happen in real time.
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Dec 8 2021 06:59pm
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They certainly do if they have the votes! The grim reality is that the pro-abortion crowd isn't as focused and organized as the anti-abortion crowd. Actions (and inaction) have consequences and we're seeing that happen in real time.


i'm talking about what women overwhelmingly want (something that you, for a very brief moment, pretended to care about), while you're talking about how a rigged political system is able to prevent that. you realise that's a difference, right? because often enough establishment shills and right wing hacks confuse living in a highly corrupt and undemocratic nation for a legitimisation of their extremist views... they might be made into law, but they don't represent the will of the people. in america, much more than in any of its peer countries, those are often polar opposites...
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Dec 8 2021 07:00pm
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They certainly do if they have the votes! The grim reality is that the pro-abortion crowd isn't as focused and organized as the anti-abortion crowd. Actions (and inaction) have consequences and we're seeing that happen in real time.


Anti-Rights people are usually way more organized.
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