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Nov 2 2016 12:22pm
Quote (russian @ Nov 2 2016 06:20pm)
Let me see if I get this. Vacuum is "very light", so it somehow pushes things. Even more so, it pushes them in a very specific direction - exactly orthogonal and towards the plane of our flat Earth. Is this correct?


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Nov 2 2016 12:24pm
Quote (Subwoofer @ Nov 2 2016 08:19am)
you said air pressure pushes objects down that are denser.

meaning without air there is nothing to make an object fall.

this is why no one thinks that gravity is based on air pressure...it fails basic experimentation.


air pressure and vibration density and photogenic energy of molecules within the volume they exist in, you cant just change one factor and not understand that they are all related and expect a different result, there all related - it not my fault you didn't read or understand my previous posts.

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Nov 2 2016 12:26pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Nov 2 2016 11:24am)
air pressure and vibration density and photogenic energy of molecules within the volume they exist in, you cant just change one factor and not understand that they are all related and expect a different result


Well shit, now I know why my glass fell - I've always been told that I'm not very photogenic.
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Nov 2 2016 12:30pm
Quote (Knaapie @ Nov 2 2016 11:22am)
He understands that you cannot (easily) create a 100% vacuum.. even with 99% vacuum his argument is still stands.


Even if perfect vacuum was impossible, you would expect that a 90% reduction in air (which supposedly produces the downward force) would also reduce said force by 90% (or any amount at all). In other words, object would weigh less in partial vacuum.
This is of course false, objects actually weigh MORE in vacuum due to the absence of buoyancy.
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Nov 2 2016 12:35pm
Quote (russian @ Nov 2 2016 08:26am)
Well shit, now I know why my glass fell - I've always been told that I'm not very photogenic.


well you might be ugly - but in this case if referring to the heat energy of the particles in the volume they exist in

photon energy, i guess i shouldn't use that word, obviously its to confusing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_energy

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Quote (card_sultan @ Nov 2 2016 01:35pm)
well you might be ugly - but in this case if referring to the heat energy of the particles in the volume they exist in

photon energy, i guess i shouldn't use that word, obviously its to confusing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_energy


yes it's very confusing when someone says photogenic instead of photon.

glad we can finally agree on something.
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Nov 2 2016 12:40pm
Quote (card_sultan @ Nov 2 2016 11:35am)
well you might be ugly - but in this case if referring to the heat energy of the particles in the volume they exist in

photon energy, i guess i shouldn't use that word, obviously its to confusing

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_energy


So how much energy do "vacuum particles" have? They push down pretty hard on everything, harder than air even.
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Nov 2 2016 12:40pm
Quote (russian @ 2 Nov 2016 19:30)
Even if perfect vacuum was impossible, you would expect that a 90% reduction in air (which supposedly produces the downward force) would also reduce said force by 90% (or any amount at all). In other words, object would weigh less in partial vacuum.
This is of course false, objects actually weigh MORE in vacuum due to the absence of buoyancy.


I think we've debunked the "feather and the lead weight vacuum fall test" we were being thought in classes ;)

/e ofc they would fall at the same speed.. but faster than without vacuum... Which imo is a pretty important detail ^^ It's not all about air resistance as being claimed.

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Quote (russian @ Nov 2 2016 08:40am)
So how much energy do "vacuum particles" have? They push down pretty hard on everything, harder than air even.


:wallbash:

you never even read my earlier posts and known you want me to spoon feed you, really just Fo.

photon energy has to do with heat not pressure or whatever energy your assuming to understand :wacko:

This is exactly why people teach gravity, just to shut you up. Because you want the answer in 2 seconds and if the explanation is more than 2 seconds - it must be wrong.

Stick to the gravity things - its obviously working on you.

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Quote (card_sultan @ Nov 2 2016 11:43am)
:wallbash:

you never even read my earlier posts and known you want me to spoon feed you, really just Fo.


I'm just trying to understand, why are you so mean to me? :cry:

You said vacuum pushes things down because it's really light. Then you said that how much it pushes down depends on how photogenic the particles are and how many good vibrations they are experiencing at that moment. I didn't know that vacuum particles could do this sort of thing, so I'm just trying to follow your lead here and get a better grasp on things.
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