No I'm not a vegan, or I probably would have told you by now.

I don't eat any sugars unless they come from fruit, currently.

Most, if not all, of the meat I eat is (atleast labeled wise) unprocessed, except for the occasional bacon I get if I go to brunch lol.

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I'll admit though when I went out of my way to lose weight, I probably was extremely unhealthy about it, the end result justified it though to me. I've never been more confident, healthy, energetic, fit, etc, in my life and wouldn't change it for anything.

You don't really think about it when you're overweight, but when you lose it all there are so many little things that make you overall feel better.

This post was edited by Mangix on Mar 31 2016 11:52am

eww processed bacon? give me a slab of fatback any day!

Maybe its just a misunderstanding on my part. I just assumed most bacon is proccessed.

i suppose it depends on what you mean by processed for sure. To me processed meat is ground, potentially with additives, then reshaped into something or packaged. Like lunch meat or beef jerky.

But i could see any meat going through a large factory and sold for cheap as being just as bad even if that doesn't fit the definition persay. Pork is especially bad, we just built a conveyor line for a Johnsonville processing plant last year that handled pork halves. Not a nice place. I have butchered animals for over a decade and that place gave me the willies.

But your non-vegan diet contributes to the largest root cause of deforestation (and by proxy, ocean acidification) and methane production which has 25 times the greenhouse effect of CO2. Even the CO2 emissions from animal agriculture are huge, let alone the water usage.

You're creating a burden that could be alleviated by simple restraint.

so scaling down isn't admirable? Only going full vegan?

My issue has nothing to do with the environment. Thats a completely seperate problem. Your point is valid I'll agree to that though.

They don't even have to eat well, just eat less. It may not be the most crazy healthy thing, but its healthier than the strain the weight puts on their bodies.



I'd like to think its a stepping stone. You can't really get to one without passing through the other.

This post was edited by Mangix on Mar 31 2016 12:01pm

Scaling down is admirable. I'm taking on the stance of a militant vegan to point out the hypocrisy of the argument that fat people represent some major issue, that they're ones with diets in need of changing, and that they should be shamed.

People like to a take a moral high ground with respect to comparing themselves to fat people. I enjoy trying to knock them down a few pegs.

i gotcha, still agree with Mangix tho. Even if not a single person ate healthier but everyone simply ate less the impact would be massive. I personally think both are needed but either independent of each other will still have a massive effect.

My stance on it comes from being fat before and knowing that when you're in that state, you simply don't understand what you're missing out on, quality of life being the main thing.

I liked that video of Boogie or whatever though, where his stance is heres a healthy alternative, but if you actually want to be fat, thats your goal, go ahead thats your choice.

This post was edited by Mangix on Mar 31 2016 12:06pm