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Oct 14 2014 02:00pm
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With masochism, I think it's the same, it's just that they get pleasure from a different thing than most people, and so for them the pleasure might outweigh the pain.

With sadism is where it gets tricky. I'm not trying to argue in favor of any ethical theory (although I think some form of utilitarianism is correct). I really don't know which is correct, though. I'm just trying to argue against moral nihilism or subjectivism or relativism.

I don't know what all the moral facts are, I'm not sure anyone does, I just know that there are some.


i don't see what's so bad about moral nihilism/subjectivism/relativism considering we're still here

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Oct 14 2014 02:09pm
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i don't see what's so bad about moral nihilism/subjectivism/relativism considering we're still here


I'm not arguing that the ideas are causing bad in the world, just that they're incorrect.

But either way the majority of people are moral realists, so maybe that's why we're still here :P

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Oct 14 2014 02:50pm
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I don't think punishment is morally right, so there's no contradiction as far as I can see. I think the most heinous criminal should be isolated from society to prevent further harm, but should be treated well.



Yes it does, because we are the universe!


Many would disagree with you. Myself included. But that's only further proof that we are incapable of being wholly objective... if we were we would agree on everything.

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Oct 14 2014 02:58pm
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i don't see what's so bad about moral nihilism/subjectivism/relativism considering we're still here


Moral nihilism is bad insofar as it corrupts our natural moral inclinations. Morality is a foundational pillar upon which social order is built.

Too many people questioning why societal mores matter is bad for society, we can only support so many defectors.
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Oct 14 2014 03:05pm
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Moral nihilism is bad insofar as it corrupts our natural moral inclinations. Morality is a foundational pillar upon which social order is built.

Too many people questioning why societal mores matter is bad for society, we can only support so many defectors.


So you think people questioning things is a problem?
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Oct 14 2014 03:39pm
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Moral nihilism is bad insofar as it corrupts our natural moral inclinations. Morality is a foundational pillar upon which social order is built.

Too many people questioning why societal mores matter is bad for society, we can only support so many defectors.


might makes right is the only relevant source of morality
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Oct 14 2014 03:55pm
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might makes right is the only relevant source of morality


tell it to the police
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Oct 14 2014 03:55pm
Quote (Skinned @ Oct 14 2014 05:47pm)
If there are degrees of wrongness, ie, if one theory explaining a phenomenon is more true than another theory of the same phenomenon, that implies the existence of a real underlying truth we can never be exposed to through the apparent world, and furthermore degrees of wrongness.

truth is uncovered by what we tell of the truth by our statements of its' nature (how the truth (reality) is). (the thing about seeing an elephant from different angles at its' best...)
imo the funny thing about truth is its' normative nature which can't be separated the nature of truth. the truth is a normative statement of reality - or of "how things are", and "how things are" is very much depedent on how one's "way of life" is.

i hope that i'm sober enough for my words not to collapse into a meaningless word-salad.

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Oct 14 2014 04:25pm
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tell it to the police


They already know :lol:
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Oct 14 2014 07:55pm
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might makes right is the only relevant source of morality


Might Makes Right sucks bro

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