That's a fair comment and logical. Sorry I can't convince you.

...no ...you were born into a Christian culture...perhaps even into a Christian upbringing ...yet it has fallen on deaf ears and a closed heart...yet there of 1000's of converts into Christianity every day in China where Christianity is persecuted .

See my quote. Pride is a deadly sin and for you to sit here and scoff at the Lord's justice shows how arrogant you are.

Harden not your heart.

It seems inconsistent to me to claim that He dictated certain parts of the bible but just guided other parts. I also don't understand how divine guiding could be so poorly executed. An all powerful God that creates the Cosmos can't get some basic facts communicated in a book that guides humanity for the rest of history? It's also not an indirect concept being communicated, it's an act of God Himself.




If I remember correctly our solar system is orbiting the center of the galaxy at a half a million miles per hour, and our galaxy is flying through the universe at 3 million miles per hour. None of this has an effect on the sun's movement through our sky. It is the rotation of the Earth orbiting the sun. To stop the sun's movement across the sky he would have to stop the rotation of the Earth, which would send everyone flying eastward at around 800 mph depending on their latitude. Better tuck and roll.

In other words, don't think for yourself, abandon all logic and reason, and do as we tell you to.

two part question here, since we know that the first bible was written hundreds of years after the death of Jesus Christ, and it was compiled from scrolls, and letters which had been gathered
and then edited, before the final draft was printed. It seems to lose some of the "written by men inspired by the holy spirit," when most of the writing was done by scribes getting paid by the verse.

part 2. has to do with the holy trinity you say that God dictated the actual spoken word of Jesus Christ, but wasn't Jesus actually God incarnate? if so then there need be no dictation.

[QUOTE=Valhalls_Sun,Oct 11 2014 04:45pm]two part question here, since we know that the first bible was written hundreds of years after the death of Jesus Christ, and it was compiled from scrolls, and letters which had been gathered
and then edited, before the final draft was printed. It seems to lose some of the "written by men inspired by the holy spirit," when most of the writing was done by scribes getting paid by the verse.

part 2. has to do with the holy trinity you say that God dictated the actual spoken word of Jesus Christ, but wasn't Jesus actually God incarnate? if so then there need be no dictation.[/QU

1) I am totally not a canonization scholar. But when we say written by men inspired by the Holy Spirit, I don't believe most of think that word by word they were told what to speak. Instead they were reminded of stories, prompted by the Spirit to record what came to mind. The early collections were pieced together. There were "collections" of letters floating around before the Bible itself was created. But yea as far as canonization history goes..I am rusty.

2) Ya I mispoke. You are right, Jesus was God incarnate. But Jesus gave up his power as God to come to Earth and die. "He emptied himself"...so like us he needed to walk in guidance by the father in order to see miracles happen. But yes I totally mispoke when I said that.

It's not about Pride, it's about a true belief that if there was a just and loving lord/creator...he would give everyone the same chance at salvation

I revere his words

haha u switched saber and conocer up xD

Saber = to know a fact or to know who somebody is
conocer = to know something familiarly, like knowing the layout of a city or to know what a person is like.