https://www.natesilver.net/p/kamala-harris-is-not-going-back-to

Nate Silver, not a partisan Democrat, has thoughts on Kamala's speech.

The campaign's message has a healthy dose of patriotic, hopeful optimism. It's quite a contrast to what we've heard the past 8 years.

This post was edited by IceMage on Aug 24 2024 04:45am

The speech was about 1/3 fluffing up her life based on identity, 1/3 extremely vague policy messaging, 1/3 bitter and angry attacks on Trump
No matter how much CNN contributors are paid to spam the word "Joy", Kamala just spent a good chunk of her speech with lines like 'Kim Jon Un wants Trump to win!' and 'He told Putin to invade Ukraine' and 'He'll hike your sales taxes'. Nevermind sites like WaPo tearing her apart on the pinocchio meter, it was still a lot of backwards facing low road.

I'd describe Kamala as an AI-generated candidate. She totally lacks substance and creativity, and gives only the form and structure of a politician, a bunch of flowery language about America and hope and the future because that's what it scraped together from old Obama speeches, except the actual mechanics of what she's saying make no sense. People want to know what she's going to do about the high cost of groceries and the war in Ukraine and she spat out a well written sentence stating grocery prices are high and there's a war in Ukraine. Like, bitch, we know, whatch'a gonna do? The AI prompt was supposed to be about taking the high road and optimism but instead she screamed Trump is a dirty rat bastard.

And one things for sure, she doesn't pass the turing test, she's not ready for a debate with a human being

This post was edited by Goomshill on Aug 24 2024 05:19am

Yeah I get that you play the cynical Trump supporter, but really?

The life story she told was pretty good, and an affirmation of the greatness of America. Two immigrant parents, a single mom raising a couple kids with the help of her larger family and community. A story about her friend in highschool being abused, which motivated her to become a prosecutor. And she's risen to the point of running for president... that's a great American story regardless of whether you happen to like her policies or personality.

Her section on Trump was accurate. He tried to throw away the votes of the American people, he sent an armed mob to the Capitol, and he's said he wants to pardon the people who assaulted cops. I know you like to pretend this didn't happen, but it did, and it would be political malpractice for her campaign to never mention it. She also wove in legitimate policy critiques of Trump which resonate with a majority of voters.

You want a bad convention speech? Talk about policy in a substantive, nuanced way. I think it's kind of silly to pretend vagueness from a policy perspective in a speech like this is a legit criticism.

I'm not sure how the debate will go, but it's hard to see how it's not at least a draw for Kamala. Trump isn't a good debater. And she obviously triggers him so he'll probably go off the rails.

She's kind of impressive man. I don't know how she got this much better in 4 years but she did. I suppose an adversarial situation could expose her but so far she's solid.

Still lol'ing at your sig btw.

This post was edited by IceMage on Aug 24 2024 06:05am

I don't begrudge it much but its just fluff, it does nothing to move the dial. Its not substantive. She might as well be Einstein playing his violin for a crowd of grannies as he did the once, because the crowd didn't care about his expertise and he had nothing to say to them about it.



You don't get to bring a pinata effigy of Trump out on stage and beat it with a baseball bat and simultaneously claim you're spreading a message of joy and forward-thinking



You know who gave the best speeches? Obama. You know what Obama talked about in his speeches?
https://www.npr.org/2008/08/28/94087570/transcript-barack-obamas-acceptance-speech




Do you see the difference? How very policy-lite Kamala's speech was, and how she talked about maybe 2 total actual proposals you can read up on, and they're both just Joe Biden status quo ante return to the past policies, specifically "put the voting rights act pre-clearance restrictions on southern states back in effect" and "undo the corporate tax cut". Aaaand that's it.
Speaking of the high road and Obama, what did Trump have to say this week? That he respects Obama. Kamala is up there accusing Trump of being Hitler and Trump is holding positive vibe rallies



Trump has been so good in debates it crushed all his 2016 opponents and he might have even gotten past the covid hurdle if Biden hadn't dodged more debates in 2020, and the last debate was so disastrous it actually yeeted Biden right out of the race. The last time Kamala was in a presidential debate she polled at 3% and dropped out before the primaries. After her last debate she polled lower than Mike Bloomberg and half the audience wanted him guillotine'd

This post was edited by Goomshill on Aug 24 2024 06:55am

Voters don't know her... telling part of her life story is how they come to know her. I'm thinking if you ran a campaign it would crater... the things you care about aren't aligned with what a lot of low-information voters care about.

A message of the campaign is "we're not going back". Back to what? To Trump's policies, behavior, and the chaos that was his presidency.



I notice you aren't comparing her speech with Trump's. Interesting.

Uh.... Trump's been talking about how the Obamas are nasty because they pointed out how Trump parroted a racist conspiracy theory about how Obama wasn't born here. He also made ridiculous claims about Obama spying on his campaign because Trump employed a bunch of sketchy people who the FBI investigated.

Honestly, you truly perceive these events in a way that's much different than reality. I've come to realize you aren't bullshitting, you really believe what you are saying.



Lol'd. He lost every 2016 debate against Hillary. He embarrassed himself in the first 2020 presidential debate and the other was close. His performance this year didn't push Biden out of the race... Biden's performance did. It's hard to judge how he did because Biden was so bad but it wasn't great.

Kamala had some good moments in the primary debates... I think she has potential to do well. And she's 20 years younger and not an angry weirdo so that will help.

This post was edited by IceMage on Aug 24 2024 07:12am

Incredible that a woman with this talent is not in politics.

Her tagline is "we're not going back" but the only proposals she's made are restoring defunct Biden policies



https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/19/us/politics/trump-rnc-speech-transcript.html

The cliff notes version of Trump's speech in order of what he talked about, and boy was it long;
1. Surviving an assassination attempt and respecting the families of the victims
2. Saying we must not criminalize politics and persecute rivals
3. Thanking friends and family
4. Life story of JD Vance
5. A long overview of vague policy objectives
6. Specific policy proposals: Tax cuts and finishing the wall
7. Anti-Biden bashing, entirely focused on policy not personality (on covid, iran, russia, economy)
8. Long elaboration on what an issue inflation is, and tying it to illegal immigration
9. Thanking crowd and republican party
10. More specific policy proposals: Subsidizing energy, deregulating and increasing production, claiming growth will reduce the debt
11. More specific policy proposals: Ending EV mandate, tariffs to bring back production from overseas, tax cuts brought up again
12. More specific policy proposal: His plan to end taxes on tips and elaborating on it with an anecdote
13. Harping vaguely on social security / medicare, illegal immigration, ICE, saying he'd close the border
14. Kind of specific policy proposal in saying he'd restore the border policies Biden ended and laid out the numerous specific ones
15. Vague talk of crime as a policy, not specific
16. More anti-Biden bashing on foreign policy, again not personal, focusing on Russia, Georgia, Crimea, ISIS, Afghanistan, China, Israel
17. Specific policy proposal in saying he'd create an Iron Dome for america, whatever that means
18. Rapid fire half-vague half-specific policies: Cure for alzheimers somehow, no men in women's sports, crime vaguely, energy production, AI, EV subsidies for hybrids.
19. Thanking Billy Graham, talking about overcoming asssassination
20. Flowery language about hopes and aspirations and the American spirit



I want to grill you on whether you really think you're perceiving reality without bias and that I'm the one coloring it.
Because I just glossed over the entire transcript of Trump's speech and saw zero personal attacks on Biden, zero mentions of Kamala Harris at all, the vast majority of the speech devoted to policy both in general and many many specifics. There was zero venom towards any person in his entire speech (well maybe the guy who shot him), only criticisms of policy and record. He talked at great length about his plans for the future. He didn't say anything about conspiracy theories, he didn't accuse America's enemies of supporting Kamala or Kamala of supporting them, even though that's what she said about him.


also if you really think Kamala is somehow better at Trump than debating, you're simply ignoring the results. Trump faced down an entire mob of candidates and moderators all with knives out for him, gotcha questions and obvious bias and still came out not just the victor but propelled to the presidency by it. It was by far his greatest strength as a candidate, and Joe Biden wisely dodged debates in 2020 and like I said he literally got kicked out of this race by being destroyed by Trump a few weeks ago.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Aug 24 2024 07:56am

I honestly don't understand why you waste ink. A person that fully bought into the Russia collusion story, not only bought but peddled it for years has clearly an impaired judgement compass. You're more likely to convince a racoon to begin subsistence farming than get one of these people to not view orange man as the ultimate evil in the world.

I'm short on time but want to respond to this.

Hmmm. You seem to be equating pollical results as equivalent to debate results. If Trump did better in the primary or in the general than the debate opponent, he won the debate.

So, the performance doesn't matter substantively policy wise, all that matters are the results of the polls/votes.

I'm thinking this might contradict some of your former claims.

Apart from that, obviously he's a bad debater in a general election setting and maybe you can't recognize that. I don't know if Kamala is good or not, we will see.

That "bipartisan" border bill was full of poison pills and strongly denounced by the vast majority of Senate Republicans, even before Trump spoke out against it. Multiple GOP senators laid out in detail why this bill sucked and they opposed it. The bill was categorically unsuited to accomplish its ostensible goal and solve the border crisis.

In reality, McConnell and this Lankford guy had negotiated a bad bill which was a betrayal of many longstanding GOP goals with regard to immigration. A bill which would have done far more to enshrine the current, unacceptable status quo at the border than to actually secure it. The whole purpose of this bill was to deflect from the utter failure of the Biden/Harris administration on the border and to give Democrats a convenient talking point which uncritical partisans can regurgitate.

The leadership of the border patrol union endorsed the bill, but countless rank and file members spoke out against it. Union leadership being in cahoots with Democrats is nothing new. More generally speaking, it is a political phenomenon which can be observed all across the Western world and all across different industries that there is a growing gulf between union leadership, which is happily on board with liberal and/or woke policies, and the actual working-class rank and file union members.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Aug 24 2024 08:55am