There are authorative bodies for the interpretation of Quran and the Hadithes, for example the Al-Azhar University. So you're wrong, islam could become more liberal or radical without the people.

Anyway, the bigger point is that the jeans and belly button era was driven by the segments of society which were not very religious to begin with and who got more audacious. The bulk of devout muslims did not get notably more liberal during that time, just like they did not get that much more radical in their religious beliefs after the revolution.

the mecca koran and the medina koran
the meccan koran was peaceful medina is when it went koo koo (and i am not saying its two books)
so you can be peacefull and still be a muslim or you can be a warmongerer and still be a muslim
then there is abrogation. if you dont know about "abrogation" you dont know chit about islam

You are conflating Shia with Sunni, and you're mixing up Afghani, Persian, and Arab concerns.

Iran liberalized in the 50s, 60s, and 70s under the Shah. In opposition to the Shah were liberal reformers and Islamist fundamentalists. The fundamentalists and moderates successfully ousted the Shah, after which the fundamentalists outmaneuvered the moderates and established the Islamic Republic of Iran. Comparing this to the Afghani case is like comparing apples and oranges.

This post was edited by bogie160 on Jul 16 2021 07:05pm

Like I said, it's complicated lol

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-facebook-killing-people-response

Facebook is pushing back against the White House's narrative that the social media platform is "killing people."

"In private exchanges the Surgeon General has praised our work, including our efforts to inform people about COVID-19. They knew what they were doing. The White House is looking for scapegoats for missing their vaccine goals," a Facebook spokesperson told NBC's Dylan Beyers.

"The fact is that more than 2 billion people have viewed authoritative information about COVID-19 and vaccines on Facebook, which is more than any place on the internet," the spokesperson said. "More than 3.3 million Americans have also used our vaccine finder tool to find out where and how to get the vaccine. The facts show that Facebook is helping save lives. Period."

aww pretending to fight each other.
also why is the harris/biden admin having private secret discussions with supposedly neutral social media companies?

This post was edited by excellence on Jul 17 2021 12:09pm

Facebook provides a platform for misinformation on vaccines that results in (mostly right-wing) Americans not taking the vaccine. Trumpists don't have a problem with the White House pressuring companies like Facebook, because obviously Trump did this kind of shit all the time. They have a problem with it because they are either anti-vaccine or critical of those who promote the vaccine.

I'm undecided as to whether the White House should pressure Facebook on this, but let's not pretend this is something new.

Didn't Trump have Zuckerberg at the White House for a private dinner? Give me a break, lol. Presidents and their administrations have conversations and relationships with powerful American companies... there's nothing inherently wrong with that. What's funny here is how Facebook seems to be pushing back more than they ever did with Trump.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jul 17 2021 01:26pm

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-facebook-social-media-covid-19-killing-people/

the harris/biden administration accused facebook of “killing Americans” (funny coming from a lifelong warmongering wannabe thug like biden) so they responded in-kind

your random rage essay about Trump is hilariously not-surprising. guy has you hot and bothered still you sick deviant freak lmfao, pathetic..

Yes, the post from you I responded to included Biden's statement. We all read it.

The comparisons with Trump are necessary if we're faced with Trump cultists like yourself who pretend this is some huge breach of normalcy between White House administrations and big companies. Again, you guys don't like it because Biden wants Americans vaccinated. If he wanted Facebook to stop banning people for racist posts, you'd be on board.

There's an alternative universe where the Trump cult and right-wing broadly embraced vaccinations against the Communist Chinese created virus because of the misguided belief that they only exist because of Trump... but you guys clearly avoided that opportunity. Instead the cult has gone full-blown antivaxxer, following the lead of the former president who got the vaccine but refuses to promote it.

This post was edited by IceMage on Jul 17 2021 02:52pm

Taken here from the vaccine thread to stay on topic:





To be fair: I, personally, dont think that Biden and his admin actually believe in the lab leak theory - this is not about the science, this is about politics, always has been.

Last year, Trump embraced the lab leak theory, not because of a careful consideration of all the facts and evidence, but rather because it served his political agenda and distracted from his own covid failures.
His political foes reflexively dismissed the theory, not because they were convinced by data (which didnt exist at the time) that Trump was wrong, but rather because it served their political goals to oppose whatever Trump was doing and saying.

And now, Biden and the Democrats did a 180 on the issue because they are in charge and the lab leak theory serves them politically. By promoting the theory, they can put pressure on America's main geopolitical rival and, if successful, tarnish China's reputation around the world.

That their media lackeys went along with it without batting an eye is no surprise, but it's really sad to see scientists so willingly get politicized and used as pawns and stooges.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 17 2021 04:12pm

" from his own covid failures."
(while the left was saying trump was xenophobic and ev1 should come and party in china town. then when trump ditched the stupid mask the left slapped theirs on and played the covidiot game. )