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If my family got £70 million of tax payers money every year,
I'd be pretty humble too.

He served in ww2 which is to his credit. Equally ironic is his family supported fascism and he even personally marched with nazis in the 30's


crazy

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Written about his mother,
"She was diagnosed as schizophrenic and, on the advice of Sigmund Freud, her womb was irradiated with x-rays in an attempt to thwart her alleged sexual desires"

Holy shit^^
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Zero covid deaths in the UK yesterday :hail:
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Zero covid deaths in the UK yesterday :hail:


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france needs to get its shit together

Halimi, a 65-year-old Jewish woman, died in 2017 after being pushed out of the window of her Paris apartment by her neighbour, Kobili Traoré, who allegedly shouted “Allahu Akbar” (“God is great” in Arabic). Traoré admitted pushing her.

The ruling from the Court of Cassation, issued this month, said there was enough evidence to show the act had anti-Semitic motives.

But the court said a person who committed a crime while in a “delirious state” cannot be sent to trial – even if that state was caused by the habitual use of illegal drugs. Traoré used to smoke heavy quantities of cannabis.

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france needs to get its shit together

Halimi, a 65-year-old Jewish woman, died in 2017 after being pushed out of the window of her Paris apartment by her neighbour, Kobili Traoré, who allegedly shouted “Allahu Akbar” (“God is great” in Arabic). Traoré admitted pushing her.

The ruling from the Court of Cassation, issued this month, said there was enough evidence to show the act had anti-Semitic motives.

But the court said a person who committed a crime while in a “delirious state” cannot be sent to trial – even if that state was caused by the habitual use of illegal drugs. Traoré used to smoke heavy quantities of cannabis.


i mean, i agree it's really difficult to accept how such a clear case of an anti-semitic hate crime might not see a trial, and i imagine it's particularly outrageous if you only read the headlines and assumed the scumbag just walked (which ofc is not the case, he's locked up in a psych ward) - but it is my understanding that the ruling(s) were made according to current french law.

so i assume by "getting their shit together" you mean france should change their laws? what would you suggest? do away with the exception from criminal responsibility for people not in control of their actions due to their mental state? do that for cases where it's drug-induced (that's what macron for example suggested afaik), maybe only for recreational / criminal drug use, not prescribed drugs?

anyway, ex post facto laws are basically impossible to introduce in french criminal law (as in most modern democracies), so even that change would not give her family the justice i think we all feel they're being denied here. it's a really tragic case, but the responses to it are riddled with ignorance concerning the legal issues and driven by (understandable but not exactly helpful) emotion.

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france needs to get its shit together

Halimi, a 65-year-old Jewish woman, died in 2017 after being pushed out of the window of her Paris apartment by her neighbour, Kobili Traoré, who allegedly shouted “Allahu Akbar” (“God is great” in Arabic). Traoré admitted pushing her.

The ruling from the Court of Cassation, issued this month, said there was enough evidence to show the act had anti-Semitic motives.

But the court said a person who committed a crime while in a “delirious state” cannot be sent to trial – even if that state was caused by the habitual use of illegal drugs. Traoré used to smoke heavy quantities of cannabis.


"The killer is recognised as a killer" ...

it's already -en route- for a new law adding a "trial" in such cases but beyond that nothing will change: the guy will still be locked in a cell.

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i mean, i agree it's really difficult to accept how such a clear case of an anti-semitic hate crime might not see a trial, and i imagine it's particularly outrageous if you only read the headlines and assumed the scumbag just walked (which ofc is not the case, he's locked up in a psych ward) - but it is my understanding that the ruling(s) were made according to current french law.

so i assume by "getting their shit together" you mean france should change their laws? what would you suggest? do away with the exception from criminal responsibility for people not in control of their actions due to their mental state? do that for cases where it's drug-induced (that's what macron for example suggested afaik), maybe only for recreational / criminal drug use, not prescribed drugs?

anyway, ex post facto laws are basically impossible to introduce in french criminal law (as in most modern democracies), so even that change would not give her family the justice i think we all feel they're being denied here. it's a really tragic case, but the responses to it are riddled with ignorance concerning the legal issues and driven by (understandable but not exactly helpful) emotion.


Its one thing to not be in control of your actions but when it comes about as a result of being a druggy you should certainly be held responsible for your actions the same way you should be held responsible if you got drunk and assaulted someone in a drunken rage. The laws need to be updated.

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Quote (duffman316 @ 28 Apr 2021 03:38)
Its one thing to not be in control of your actions but when it comes about as a result of being a druggy you should certainly be held responsible for your actions the same way you should be held responsible if you got drunk and assaulted someone in a drunken rage. The laws need to be updated.


He already had a mental illness, early hard form of schizo, and heavy cannabis seriously boosted it.
But maybe you got new informations for the 7 psychatric experts.


/edit: thank you.

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