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Quote (SanduLungu @ Jul 14 2021 12:28pm)
yeah, quite insulting. would be funny if it was at least ironic. lgbtq+ marching and militating for muslims :rofl:


the women's march was organized by a known supporter of sharia law. that day was peak kek.
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the women's march was organized by a known supporter of sharia law. that day was peak kek.


many muslim women are believing that mohamed was the first feminist. no joke.
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Biden family is dirty dirty dirty
https://twitter.com/AKA_RealDirty/status/1415519653238120464


thats right, urkraine was/is a biden scandal. fraud lefties with adam shit tried to nail it on trump. good link ill post it in the biden thread.
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the women's march was organized by a known supporter of sharia law. that day was peak kek.


concentrated effort to destroy the western world. islam is just another tool for that.
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many muslim women are believing that mohamed was the first feminist. no joke.


Fun fact: the rules of islam represented a significant improvement for women compared to the status quo at the time. Islam was 'modern' and 'liberal' at the time of its inception around 630-640 AD. Unfortunately, it's such an inflexible, dogmatic religion that it hasn't moved all that much since then. Nowadays, any kind of adherence to an orthodox version of islam is incompatible with modern society or human rights as we understand them in the 21st century.

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Fun fact: the rules of islam represented a significant improvement for women compared to the status quo at the time. Islam was 'modern' and 'liberal' at the time of its inception around 630-640 AD. Unfortunately, it's such an inflexible, dogmatic religion that it hasn't moved all that much since then. Nowadays, any kind of adherence to an orthodox version of islam is incompatible with modern society or human rights as we understand them in the 21st century.


That's a massive oversimplification.

Look at pictures of Iran in the 60's and 70's. There are women in bell bottom jeans.

The real cause of Islam's slide backwards was the systemic pushing of radical groups to fight our enemies in the middle east. As an example, the United States directly funded the Taliban and provided them with radical islamic literature during the time of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

The history of the middle east is complicated, and depressing.

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That's a massive oversimplification.

Look at pictures of Iran in the 60's and 70's. There are women in bell bottom jeans.

The real cause of Islam's slide backwards was the systemic pushing of radical groups to fight our enemies in the middle east. As an example, the United States directly funded the Taliban and provided them with radical islamic literature during the time of the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

The history of the middle east is complicated, and depressing.


The liberalism in countries like Iran was due to a temporary, very secular zeitgeist, not because of islam itself becoming any more liberal or tame. Of course a strongly secularized muslim population is compatible with Western values - but the flipside is my key point: orthodox islam is not.

The jeans and belly buttons also were very much a thing of the big cities. Even during their most liberal years, the countries of the Middle East had a huge share of deeply religious people. Figures like Khomeini (or Erdogan in Turkey for a more recent example) could not have succeeded without this base.

And last but not least, you're not giving enough credit to the corrupting influence Saudi Arabia and its ultra-conservative Wahhabist take on islam has had on the region. They sponsored copious amounts of terrorists and radical Imams who indoctrinate their communities. The West fucked up big time in the region, don't get me wrong, but reactionary forces from within Middle Eastern societies also played a large role in the religious backsliding.

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The liberalism in countries like Iran was due to a temporary, very secular zeitgeist, not because of islam itself becoming any more liberal or tame. Of course a strongly secularized muslim population is compatible with Western values - but the flipside is my key point: orthodox islam is not.

The jeans and belly buttons also were very much a thing of the big cities. Even during their most liberal years, the countries of the Middle East had a huge share of deeply religious people. Figures like Khomeini (or Erdogan in Turkey for a more recent example) could not have succeeded without this base.

And last but not least, you're not giving enough credit to the corrupting influence Saudi Arabia and its ultra-conservative Wahhabist take on islam has had on the region. They sponsored copious amounts of terrorists and radical Imams who indoctrinate their communities. The West fucked up big time in the region, don't get me wrong, but reactionary forces from within Middle Eastern societies also played a large role in the religious backsliding.


Islam cannot become liberal or tame. Only people can.



Saudi Arabia I consider to be one big extension of the same force. We have kept them propped up to keep us in oil. Human rights abuses be damned. A poor population is fine since we can subsidize their oil production and give them the technology to do it with very few people. Indeed they were radicalizing the region, with our assistance.

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