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https://twitter.com/johnkruzel/status/1337135543373733889



I don't think people who weren't already fervently anti-Trump understand the magnitude of what has happened since he lost. We're seeing most members and voters of one of the two major parties completely abandoning democracy because they lost the presidency. It's complete madness.

When Biden gets into office, how are the rest of us supposed to just forget this happened? Why would a Biden voter give a fuck about him violating norms or being corrupt when Republicans were mostly united to overturn his win?



What made you think this wouldnt happen when you endorse widespread mail in voting without any safeguards?
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Dec 10 2020 05:58pm
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What made you think this wouldnt happen when you endorse widespread mail in voting without any safeguards?


There are tons of safeguards. People just don't want to educate themselves about the process. In addition, a significant amount of this country couldn't care less about democracy. Republican officials and their constituents who want to overturn the results of the 2020 elections are fascists. Democratic officials and their constituents who advocated the same thing in 2016 are fascists. These people are more than willing to have a dictatorship that supports "their side."
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Dec 10 2020 06:00pm
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There is absolutely no modern "whatabout" to compare to what a great many GOP politicians are trying to do to the American republic. It makes a court-packing effort look like Candy Land. If they get their way in court (they won't), they would break the country. There is no excuse


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There are tons of safeguards. People just don't want to educate themselves about the process. In addition, a significant amount of this country couldn't care less about democracy. Republican officials and their constituents who want to overturn the results of the 2020 elections are fascists. Democratic officials and their constituents who advocated the same thing in 2016 are fascists. These people are more than willing to have a dictatorship that supports "their side."


Tell us about the safeguards, because I know youre full of shit about them outright.
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Dec 10 2020 06:06pm
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Tell us about the safeguards, because I know youre full of shit about them outright.


Why don't we start with what safeguards you know exist with mail in ballots? Take it state by state.
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Dec 10 2020 06:09pm
Quote (IceMage @ Dec 10 2020 07:06pm)
Why don't we start with what safeguards you know exist with mail in ballots? Take it state by state.


Most states make requesting a ballot mandatory to ensure that there is no potential for ballots to be stolen.
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Dec 10 2020 07:02pm
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Tell us about the safeguards, because I know youre full of shit about them outright.


It really depends on the state. What state do you live in/are interested in and I'll show you. Most states require signature validation and that's the biggest hurdle. If your signature doesn't match, you're flagged. Often times, your vote is just thrown out because people don't respond to the verification requests. The verification requests vary by state but you typically have to show some sort of identification, proof of residency, etc. I have a very sloppy signature so I go through this process every time I vote.

Again, most people aren't interested in these details and they just want to bitch and moan. They are a bunch of snowflakes IMO.
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It really depends on the state. What state do you live in/are interested in and I'll show you. Most states require signature validation and that's the biggest hurdle. If your signature doesn't match, you're flagged. Often times, your vote is just thrown out because people don't respond to the verification requests. The verification requests vary by state but you typically have to show some sort of identification, proof of residency, etc. I have a very sloppy signature so I go through this process every time I vote.

Again, most people aren't interested in these details and they just want to bitch and moan. They are a bunch of snowflakes IMO.


For a small scale case in point

Pennsylvania removed the requirement to check signatures (Republicans' faults probably)

Signatures don't matter if witnesses are bullied (in Michigan and likely in every other big city)
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Dec 10 2020 09:11pm
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For a small scale case in point

Pennsylvania removed the requirement to check signatures (Republicans' faults probably)

Signatures don't matter if witnesses are bullied (in Michigan and likely in every other big city)


They ruled that you couldn't outright reject it on that alone...which makes sense because you should be able to follow up.

Do you have any evidence of witnesses being bullied? I haven't heard of this. I would assume that occurs in predominantly white/rural areas if it occurs at all.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-do-states-verify-signatures-on-mail-in-ballots-11603738216
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They ruled that you couldn't outright reject it on that alone...which makes sense because you should be able to follow up.

Do you have any evidence of witnesses being bullied? I haven't heard of this. I would assume that occurs in predominantly white/rural areas if it occurs at all.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-do-states-verify-signatures-on-mail-in-ballots-11603738216


What evidence would even exist? Videos would be hearsay. Only eyewitness reports would be admissible and the opposition could just lie to counter it.

There are like a million witnesses, but courts tended to throw them out on technicalities.
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