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That toned down Christianity was the same one practiced in nazi Germany was it not? The German population and leadership were all overwhelmingly Christians at the time. The populations of the countries where jews were persecuted were overwhelmingly Christian. What about the genocides of North and South America? World wars? Nuclear bombs? I can continue but I think you get the point.
That has nothing to do with christianity. It was pure genocide by people who were against religion btw. The biggest perpetrator was Stalin. None of them were religious.
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Western society is becoming a degenerate hellhole, should our model of progress really be seen as the catch all solution?
Not western society but the US is becoming a degenerate shithole. Nope, I don't want people to adapt our flaws, I even learn from them what's wrong over here (different perspectives help) but I don't want radical fundamentalist violence over here. There is ground for everything, it all starts with peace, dialogue and coexistence.
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It has actually, there are varying schools of thought on how to adapt Islam to the modern world and varying implementations of it, unfortunately for Islam and the rest of the world one of those schools of thought is Islamic fundamentalism which was largely influenced by western imperialism in their region of the world. Sharia varies from country to country, even Israel has sharia courts, it isn't a distinct legal system but more of a guide in how one should function which is interpreted differently in different areas. What do you mean by collectively condemning? They share a religion but they aren't a monolith.
Countires where drug abuse is most prevalent and harshly punished are Iran and Indonesia, not Christian countries. Again, you're mixing up religion with the politics of today. You'll hardly find a real devoted Christian in the west nowadays. Most muslims commiting those attoricities are actual believers. You route them out by cutting off the source, religious fundamentalism. I don't want any form of it in Germany, not Muslim, not Jewish, not Christian.
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What is with people and requiring a condemnation for everything? What does this achieve? Generally it is a propaganda tactic designed to make people accept a certain narrative through emotional or social blackmail. Your condemnation changes nothing, you are German right? How much money does/has your country given to Israel? You aren't neutral, you are on a side no matter who you condemn as long as that is the case.
Nope, I choose myself where my standing ground is. I don't have any influence in governmental matters, right now, but I don't agree and I can vote next term.
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Social degeneracy, lack of community lack of religion, increasing amounts of violence and drug use. Are those the standards they need to adapt to? Even if they wanted these things it wouldn't be possible because the wealth and prosperity that allowed this "progress" to take place was largely stolen from the countries in question.
The west has got its own cocktail of problems, right now, but they are public, so you can come here claim them and I agree with you. Why do still people want to live and immigrate into that "shithole" you call the west? Probably, because it's still better than the real shitholes those people come from. They want a better life and get it but transforming the west into the type of country they fled from in the first place is laughable
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The cultural problems from importing hundreds of thousands/millions of poor people from war torn areas are not the fault of the the people being imported IMO. A competent government wouldn't allow this to happen. I'm not sure how the financial backing for mosques work but wouldn't this be similar to the Vatican helping pay to build a church? Not sure if that's a thing
Uncontrolled migration is a problem, I agree. Vatican doesn't finance Christian fundamentalists who blow up people with them.
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They probably see many things you would do as a sign of degeneracy, would you adjust your behaviour to suit them?
Based on the religions, we've got the most common with Muslims actually. I am aware of that. You compare leftist, degenerate minority with the conservative people and bring them as example. We largely share the same views and are the majourity. We just don't turn violent on people who disagree with us.
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Many muslim women want to be covered, should your discomfort dictate their form of dress? Should muslim women follow the path of western women? Would they be better off selling themselves on Onlyfans or tinder? Becoming some miserable catwoman CEO?
Wearing a headscarf doesn't make them "good" women. In fact, I often see those headscarf wearing women in miniskirts, go figure it
They don't have to be whores or whore themself out to dress like normal people. Have you ever seen a woman without makeup and no revealing getup? How about that?
This post was edited by babun1024 on Nov 10 2023 09:53am