Quote (thundercock @ 7 May 2022 02:03)

Better than a fetus though if you ask me.



By pregnancy, I mean fetus. As I've said before, I believe that a fetus should be protected under all circumstances. However, that is clearly not a pragmatic stance. I say that I'm "shit out of luck" because America is simply not ready to be a pro-life country. We do not have the necessary infrastructure and MOST people would disagree with my stance! Because I'm in the minority here, I have to defer to the majority even if I dislike it. At the end of the day though, I don't think the issue is particularly important and it has almost no impact on how I vote.

I think it depends on "how" Roe is overturned. Will we get Alito's opinion or will we get Roberts' opinion? I think it's generally agreed upon by legal scholars that Roe is a very flawed ruling and Americans simply like the pragmatic aspect of it. In theory, I think abortion restrictions should be decided at the state level given how controversial it is (don't be surprised if the GOP tries to create a national ban). Where we're going to get in trouble is that trigger laws are going to fuck up A LOT of lives. I don't think the states are ready to take on that burden. Some states (like mine) will be fine and other states such as Utah won't see any change given that they have severe restrictions already and very low abortion rates.



I think what it really boils down to is that all of us here today were once fetuses. It makes me extremely uncomfortable that any of us could have been terminated because we weren't wanted. Obviously you gain more "value" the more developed you are but you become an "individual" upon conception (yes, there are exceptions such as ectopic pregnancies, horrific genetic defects, etc.) We can go into more depth but I think that's the gist of it.

Quote (thundercock @ May 6 2022 07:03pm)

I think what it really boils down to is that all of us here today were once fetuses. It makes me extremely uncomfortable that any of us could have been terminated because we weren't wanted. Obviously you gain more "value" the more developed you are but you become an "individual" upon conception (yes, there are exceptions such as ectopic pregnancies, horrific genetic defects, etc.) We can go into more depth but I think that's the gist of it.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ May 6 2022 05:38pm)

Why can't I track that back further and say we were all once sperm and egg?

Quote (JessiWan @ May 6 2022 07:52pm)

Are you serious? And you claim to be a scientist?

Sperm and eggs are cells. They aren't organisms like the unborn are.

Quote (fender @ May 7 2022 01:36am)

abortion being decided on state level simply means that it's banned in red states. this is not rocket science. it leads to things like this:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/29/ohio-extreme-abortion-bill-reimplant-ectopic-pregnancy
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ectopic-pregnancy-bill-missouri-abortion-b2036250.html

https://i.imgur.com/8RpWbY0.jpeg

"pro-life", lol. let's call it what it is: "anti-choice"

and they will stand unchallenged without roe v. wade. you know that - and you're fine with it as long as the optics of the decision aren't too cruel. well, that's what my original point was about you and santara. so i don't know why you were offended by it tbh...

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ May 6 2022 05:58pm)

Nobody was talking to you. Run along now.

Quote (thundercock @ 6 May 2022 20:03)

Better than a fetus though if you ask me.



By pregnancy, I mean fetus. As I've said before, I believe that a fetus should be protected under all circumstances. However, that is clearly not a pragmatic stance. I say that I'm "shit out of luck" because America is simply not ready to be a pro-life country. We do not have the necessary infrastructure and MOST people would disagree with my stance! Because I'm in the minority here, I have to defer to the majority even if I dislike it. At the end of the day though, I don't think the issue is particularly important and it has almost no impact on how I vote.

I think it depends on "how" Roe is overturned. Will we get Alito's opinion or will we get Roberts' opinion? I think it's generally agreed upon by legal scholars that Roe is a very flawed ruling and Americans simply like the pragmatic aspect of it. In theory, I think abortion restrictions should be decided at the state level given how controversial it is (don't be surprised if the GOP tries to create a national ban). Where we're going to get in trouble is that trigger laws are going to fuck up A LOT of lives. I don't think the states are ready to take on that burden. Some states (like mine) will be fine and other states such as Utah won't see any change given that they have severe restrictions already and very low abortion rates.



I think what it really boils down to is that all of us here today were once fetuses. It makes me extremely uncomfortable that any of us could have been terminated because we weren't wanted. Obviously you gain more "value" the more developed you are but you become an "individual" upon conception (yes, there are exceptions such as ectopic pregnancies, horrific genetic defects, etc.) We can go into more depth but I think that's the gist of it.

Quote (JessiWan @ 6 May 2022 20:52)

Are you serious? And you claim to be a scientist?

Sperm and eggs are cells. They aren't organisms like the unborn are.

Quote (JessiWan @ May 6 2022 08:03pm)

I am deeply sorry that you didn't know that sperm and eggs aren't organisms.

Quote (excellence @ May 6 2022 06:05pm)

that user is a shift supervisor/clipboard holder; it failed to become a doctor and scientist