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Jun 6 2019 09:29pm
Quote (caswallen @ Jun 6 2019 09:26pm)
how is that possible with free will though?


By removing it, as many Christians accept happens in heaven.

There is no sin in heaven, free will implies there may be sin, therefore there cant be free will in heaven.
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By removing it, as many Christians accept happens in heaven.

There is no sin in heaven, free will implies there may be sin, therefore there cant be free will in heaven.


Not everyone makes it into heaven.

God also isn't bound by three dimensional causality, hence why free will can coexist with his control over our fate.
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Not everyone makes it into heaven.

God also isn't bound by three dimensional causality, hence why free will can coexist with his control over our fate.


I'd love for you to develop a model that works for God and free will, but just throwing in some vaguely mathematical terms doesn't make a proof.
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Jun 6 2019 09:49pm
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I'd love for you to develop a model that works for God and free will, but just throwing in some vaguely mathematical terms doesn't make a proof.


I just made one.
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Jun 6 2019 09:52pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jun 6 2019 09:49pm)
I just made one.


Wow! it's that easy? Damn, let me try!

God isn't bound by quantum invariance, therefore free will isn't compatible with God.

That was easy!
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Wow! it's that easy? Damn, let me try!

God isn't bound by quantum invariance, therefore free will isn't compatible with God.

That was easy!


And stupid
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Jun 6 2019 09:58pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Jun 6 2019 09:54pm)
And stupid


Sorry you're so bad at skepticism that you think tossing in a few sciency words makes your ideas logically sound.
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Jun 6 2019 10:07pm
I'll give you a mathematical reason why free will exists in heaven... trust me, I believe this is inspired by God because I prayed about it before...


an AfterLife means that first there must be a temporary life we experience first, correct?

so if, by the time we get there... we must leave this life... however when we do that, we will exist in 2 different places, each with their own time value we spent there...

if we take that into account, then by the minute we get into heaven, we will have spent 99.9% of our existence in the first life (this life) and 0.01% of our existence in the afterlife...

now, because we are separated into sharing 2 existences of life... the first life... and the afterlife... our existence can never be 100.00% because death creates that seperation of percentage...


so if someone lives to be 100 years old, and dies... then goes to heaven in the afterlife... he will have to live 100 years in heaven before the ratio of time spent would be 50.00% of his existence on earth, and 50.00% existence in heaven....

now bear with me here.... if someone lives to be 100 years old and dies, then goes into heaven in his afterlife, then even if he spends millions of years in heaven, the ratio would never be able to exceed 99.99999% existence in the afterlife...






so if we get to heaven... we will always have freewill there... because we will never have to 100.00% do anything by time forcing us to do everything eventually...






BOOM! I'M A MATH GENIUS! PICKLE RICK!

This post was edited by caswallen on Jun 6 2019 10:31pm
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because there are 2 lives, our existence breaks down into a percentage... %...


the % of time we spend in this life....

and the % of time we spend in the next life...

which both added together adds up to 100%

This post was edited by caswallen on Jun 6 2019 10:15pm
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Quote (caswallen @ Jun 6 2019 10:07pm)
I'll give you a mathematical reason why free will exists in heaven... trust me, I believe this is inspired by God because I prayed about it before...


an AfterLife means that first there must be a temporary life we experience first, correct?

so if, by the time we get there... we must leave this life... however when we do that, we will exist in 2 different places, each with their own time value we spent there...

if we take that into account, then by the minute we get into heaven, we will have spent 99.9% of our existence in the first life (this life) and 0.01% of our existence in the afterlife...

now, because we are separated into sharing 2 existences of life... the first life... and the afterlife... our existence can never be 100.00% because death creates that seperation of percentage...

so if someone lives to be 100 years old, and dies... then goes to heaven in the afterlife... he will have to live 100 years in heaven before the ratio of time spent would be 50.00% of his existence on earth, and 50.00% existence in heaven....

now bear with me here.... if someone lives to be 100 years old and dies, then goes into heaven in his afterlife, then even if he spends millions of years in heaven, the ratio would never be able to exceed 99.99999% existence in the afterlife...


so if we get to heaven... we will always have freewill there... because we will never have to 100.00% do anything by time forcing us to do everything eventually...

BOOM! I'M A MATH GENIUS! PICKLE RICK!


This is pretty nonsensical.

Every arrangement eventually being reached has nothing to do with whether you chose for any individual arrangement to happen. If anything, your argument supports a non-free-will heaven since you don't have agency over whether or not anything will happen.
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