That sounds pretty awesome actually.



What we know now will change, do you think it won't?

That would be very naive.

Also scientific truth has more to do with power distribution in a given society than any real relationship to the truth, which is more or less undefinable as a concept, or very very difficult. We have theories, and they all have weaknesses.

I'm tempted to say that truth is inexpressible in words unless using a closed system logic, and then it is just a game .

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The fact that the earth rotates while orbiting the sun is not likely to change.

It's guaranteed to change.

You ignore the context sir. We're talking about biblical times not 2 billion years from now.

And people will laugh at us for our beliefs. I think the things that future humans will ding us the most on is abortion and the use of money. But they won't understand us much like we don't understand our ancestors.

Oh, then yes probably has been like that for a little while



Why do you think so? I think the opposite, there are loads of true propositions.

I don't think that words and what they represent are quite the same. Our relationship to words is so personal and subjective that creating any sort of non-subjective truth from this is impossible. Math does this, but only in a closed and self-defined system. 2+2=4 because we made up 2s and 4s and assigned them meaning. 2s and 4s don't exist somewhere in Plato's world of Perfect Forms.

I definitely want to address this. First off, Christians as a whole do not ignore the fact that billions are not being told the gospel. In fact not Christians criticize us...either we get criticized for being outgoing about what Jesus has done in our lives or we get criticized because people don't know the good news. I addressed this in more detail a few pages back about those who haven't heard the gospel and how God is still just.

2nd: you are right more than two thirds of the world will probably be condemned. It does seem unfair, but actually the whole world should be condemned. The whole world...everyone...from a kid to a 100 year old sage...everyone has fallen short of the glory of God. Since all fall short, all should receive the punishment. But God loved people so much, he offered up his son in exchange...that isn't fair...so that a few can be saved.

3rd: God doesn't love anyone more or less because they are a Christian. This is a touchy topic even among Christians, but it can be defended biblically. "But God demonstrated his Love for us, that while we were sinners Christ died for us." The word "sinners" in this context lost/unsaved/condemned. God loved the lost even before they became Christians. Furthermore it says that all were created in the image of God. So I would agree by design it is easier for some people to find God, but there are plenty of people who grew up in Christian homes and are not Christian. In fact one of my friends was a pastor kid and stark Pagan.

There is a reason we say the Bible is written by men and inspired by the Holy Spirit. Yes they were speaking out of their understanding of celestial bodies at the time. No, I don't believe God dictated exactly the words of the Bible, but God guided the authors of it. I would say he dictated the Judaic law as well as the actual spoken words of Jesus.

Now let's look at some of the truth behind the sentence. As you know the earth orbits around the sun assuming the sun is at a geometrically constant state. Well you can assume the sun is constant only when compared to the Earth and same with the moon. But in the universal picture the sun, the moon and the earth drift away from the core of the universe. So is it possible on that day God literally halted the outward expansion of the galaxies? I only bring this up to show that many people point to exact meanings in the Bible and say "ha! let me discredit it by this flaw!" But really much of Bible's teachings can be proven and many have even foreshadowed future scientific advancements.

I'm sure the odds are astronomically small that someone from a rural village/hamlet like say....Pakistan...

would ever even meet a Christian or see a Bible , much less have the opportunity to convert....

Yet because you were born into Christianity you are nearly assured salvation because of your upbringing...

If that is a "just" god....I don't think I'd worship him either way