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Quote (poulgaragr @ Aug 26 2012 02:49am)
None of the so-called "replies" are legitimate. All of them are nonsense and spam, not to mention dogmatic, crappy opinions of heavily biased christians who are too lazy to think and research. Anyone who truly researches the matter will come to the same exact conclusions as me.

Case Closed.


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Challenge #4: How did something come out of nothing? (for atheists)

Only point i care to address. No where in science does it state something came from nothing in regards to the creation of the universe.



By Stating that something came from nothing only goes to show your complete lack of knowledge of the most simple concepts of the big bang and of science in general. This brings into question the validity of anything else you have stated in my eyes. To be clear i am not a christian, nor do i follow any religion other then christianity.
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Any valid arguments so far?

Answer: NO!!!

(And then they wonder why people make fun of them - lol)
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Correction: Arabic numbers came first.


Actually, arabic numerals are descended from the hindu-arabic numeral system. Its called hindu-arabic because it was created by indian matematicians and adopted by the persians. In other words, its not at all created by arabs. The reason we still refer to them as arabic is because they were introduced in europe by arabs and people didnt know their actual origin. The arabs themselves refered to them as hindu numerals. We even call digits by their hindu names although they've been slightly altered by time and translation. More strawmen please.
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Actually, arabic numerals are descended from the hindu-arabic numeral system. Its called hindu-arabic because it was created by indian matematicians and adopted by the persians. In other words, its not at all created by arabs. The reason we still refer to them as arabic is because they were introduced in europe by arabs and people didnt know their actual origin. The arabs themselves refered to them as hindu numerals. We even call digits by their hindu names although they've been slightly altered by time and translation. More strawmen please.


i doubt he'll respond directly to this
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Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 1 2012 01:14pm)
i doubt he'll respond directly to this


He'll actually just deny it because he thinks there's something cool going on with his hands.
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Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 1 2012 09:14pm)
i doubt he'll respond directly to this


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He'll actually just deny it because he thinks there's something cool going on with his hands.


Refutation to both of you:



http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/HistTopics/Arabic_numerals.html



Now kindly stick to the TOPIC

This post was edited by poulgaragr on Sep 3 2012 01:22am
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Quote (poulgaragr @ Sep 2 2012 11:22pm)
Refutation to both of you:



http://www-history.mcs.st-andrews.ac.uk/HistTopics/Arabic%5Fnumerals.html


Now kindly stick to the TOPIC


That...just reinforces what we've been saying. It says right in your link the Arabs used 0-9 until around 900~1000. Not to mention the numbers came from India.

Are you illiterate?
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That...just reinforces what we've been saying. It says right in your link the Arabs used 0-9 until around 900~1000. Not to mention the numbers came from India.

Are you illiterate?


"However they were not transmitted directly from India to Europe but rather came first to the Arabic/Islamic peoples and from them to Europe"

Besides, they are NUMBERS; this has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD

Now stick to the TOPIC, mofo

Can you answer ANY of my challenges?

Either put up or shut up
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Quote (poulgaragr @ Sep 3 2012 03:32am)
"However they were not transmitted directly from India to Europe but rather came first to the Arabic/Islamic peoples and from them to Europe"

Besides, they are NUMBERS; this has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD

Now stick to the TOPIC, mofo

Can you answer ANY of my challenges?

Either put up or shut up


Can you answer any of my posts?
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Quote (poulgaragr @ Sep 3 2012 08:32am)
"However they were not transmitted directly from India to Europe but rather came first to the Arabic/Islamic peoples and from them to Europe"

Besides, they are NUMBERS; this has NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD

Now stick to the TOPIC, mofo

Can you answer ANY of my challenges?

Either put up or shut up


Basically, in your previous response to Sylvannos you claimed that arabic numerals predates the hindu numerals, trying to correct him when he claimed the opposite. Instead of just admitting that you're wrong you increase text size and quote a source that itself says that arabic numerals are originating (even directly translated from) hindu numerals that were created by indian matematicians centuries before their arabic counterpart. Your quote even says so. "However they [indian numerals] were not transmitted directly from India to Europe but rather came first to the Arabic/Islamic peoples and from them to Europe." While the quote is true, all it does is prove our point. Why not just admit that you were wrong about this?

While it may seem like its completely off topic, it's actually speaks volumes of how you ignore any argument that falsifies your claim. Anyway, lets drop the numerals.

Here's a question I'd like you to answer. What is proof to you?
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